Re: tinkering God

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Thu Aug 25 2005 - 15:25:52 EDT

You've hit the crux of a grave difficulty. I've encountered philosophers
who argued that Christianity is nonsensical because it is impossible for
the eternal to join the temporal. They are right if the union is simple,
but scripture declares that the eternal Son emptied himself to take on
the form of a servant. I cannot imagine a mechanism whereby divine and
human spirit become one, but there is abundant evidence that Jesus of
Nazareth was uniquely special while on earth. This is radically different
from two states of a substance, for I think that the state of a molecule
cannot be both gas and liquid simultaneously, though I have to admit that
I don't understand the triple point

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:55:23 -0700 "Jim Armstrong" <>
Yuh! Ask me something easy to explain!!

Actually, I don't think the change of state per se and its temporalness
is particularly germane to this parallel. I wasn't talking about
either/or here.

I was thinking more of existing simultaneously in two different "states",
as does water in the specific "expressions" of vapor and ice. The vapor
is not shape/volume constrained, but the ice is. Yet the two forms are
essentially the same substance, and in the same domain of existence. I'm
just thinking out loud here, looking for a way to suggest that God might
"reasonably" exist simultaneously in and outside of time. Isn't that
sort of what is implicit with taking Jesus to be incarnate
time-constrained deity? [This gets very complicated for me where the
time-constrained diety speaks to himself in the form of the
non-constrained self - very confusing]. I'm just poking at the idea that
the time-constrained existence is just a special case (subset?) of the
greater reality that God "inhabits". JimA
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