Re: Dr. Dobson

From: Glenn Morton <>
Date: Thu Aug 11 2005 - 14:01:57 EDT

Political argumentation at the time of Rowe v Wade makes me make this claim. Many Jewish groups don't beleive that the fetus is human. But then, many Christians who advocate abortion don't think it constitutes the killing of a human. I am going to quote a person who probably doesn't want to be dragged into this, but I find his passage so relevant to the discussion of the soul.
"But in any case, the Word of God was incarnate in the womb of Mary from the first moment of conception. There was never an instant when what was borne by the Annunciation on March 25th, nine months before Christmas, is the celebration of the Incarnation.)( A human fetus is capable of receiving the divine nature." George Murphy, Trademark of God, (Wilton: Morehouse-Barlow, 1986),p. 87
And one should look at what the abortion rights people are saying. Here is a case in point. Note how he defines the soul and then think about WHEN this comes about. I doubt my year old grand-daughter yet has a soul under his definition.
"One theologian who writes on the subject—Paul Ramsey—thinks that a human egg cell becomes a human individual with a moral claim to survive if it has been fertilized. Yet this egg cell has none of the qualities that we have in mind when we proclaim our superior worth to the chimpanzees or dolphins. It cannot speak, reason or judge between right and wrong. It cannot have personal relations, without which a person is not functionally a person at all, until months—and not, except minimally, until years—have passed. And even then, it will not be a person in the normal sense unless some who are already fully persons have taken pains to help it become a human being in the full value sense, functioning as such. The antiabortionist is commanding some person or persons to undertake this effort. For without it, the fetus will never be human in the relevant sense. It will be human only in origin, but otherwise a subhuman animal.

The fertilized egg is an individual egg, but not an individual human being. For such a being is, in its body, a multicellular organism, a metozoan—to use the scientific Greek—and the egg is a single cell. The first thing the egg cell does is to begin dividing into many cells. For some weeks the fetus is not a single individual at all, but a colony of cells. During its first weeks there seems to be no ground for regarding the fetus as comparable to an individual animal. Only in possible or probable destiny is it an individual. Otherwise it is an organized society of single-celled individuals.

A possible individual person is one thing; an actual person is another. If this difference is not important, what is? There is in the long run no room in the solar system, or even in the known universe, for all human eggs—even all fertilized eggs, as things now stand—to become human persons. Indeed, it is mathematically demonstrable that the present rate of population growth must be lowered somehow. It is not a moral imperative that all possibilities of human persons become actual persons.

Of course, some may say that the fertilized egg already has a human soul, but on what evidence? The evidence of soul in the relevant sense is the capacity to reason, judge right and wrong, and the like.

This further illustrates why it is wrong for humans to decide who has a soul. Such a definition would allow the killing of an infant prior to the time when they speak. wrote:
It may seem obvious, but I just want to be sure I know
what you are talking about. But what makes you make this

"Since this is to all, let me state what I think. I tend
to agree with George that it is very difficult to come up
with scientific evidence for the soul. But, it is very
clear that society has decided that fetus's/prebirth
babies don't have one in any case. Thus, either society
decided this based upon some evidence (lack of language,
sleeping most of the time etc), or they have decided it
irrationally. " ?

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