FW: Teaching

From: Donald Perrett (E-mail) <donperrett@theology-perspectives.net>
Date: Fri Aug 05 2005 - 03:39:52 EDT

Sorry folks, this was also intended for the list.

Don P

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Perrett [mailto:donperrett@interstrenuus.com]On Behalf Of
Donald Perrett (E-mail)
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 02:13
To: 'Terry M. Gray'
Cc: 'Carol or John Burgeson'
Subject: RE: Teaching

I agree that religious perspective should be taught in school. However I
also agree with Burgy on the point that a-religious teaching of science,
math, etc is better for those topics. The problem with teaching math,
science, etc in a "religious way" is "Whose religion?". Since any given
school most likely includes at least 2 distinctive religions, there would be
problems. However, if the science, math, etc were taught a-religiously, and
the school offered electives that were not another form of science, but
rather theological in nature, that would be able to address issues of
science, math, etc and how they relate to that course's theological
teachings (Islam, Christianity, etc) then perhaps the "ultra-religious"
people would back off on the idea of religion in schools. Schools could
determine which theology courses were necessary based on their student body.
It could even require that there must be a 20% or higher population of a
religion to require a course on that religion. Thus avoiding the
establishment of a single religion. And so long as there were requirements
that any theological course must not contradict "required" course (math,
science, etc) teachings. In other words a theology course could not teach
that pi was actually 3 or the earth is flat, but could explain why those
views were/are held and why most no longer hold those views, from a
religious perspective. Offering such courses would help to insure that what
is being taught to our children is accurate and factual but not ignoring the
importance of religion in most peoples lives. Not doing this means that the
child may have to make a decision to choose only real science (a-religious)
and YEC they might hear at church.

Don P

-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
Behalf Of Terry M. Gray
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 01:05
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: Teaching


But don't we believe that our faith impacts every area of life. Life
IS religion. Religion isn't just one compartment of life-- the way
culinary skills are.

That's what I believe, at least. Therefore, it IS a problem to say
that religion is NOT important for understanding math.

To do science without acknowledging the creator is to not do science
properly. (This is NOT to say that science done in such a way
produces illegitimate results.)

Check out my discussion of this at http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/
Physical%20Science/Gray1999.html in the section entitled "The
Similarity of the Christian's and Non-Christian's Science".

This is one of the reasons I am in favor of a pluralistic education
model--where a school teaches from a particularly well-defined world-
and-life view. And there are multiple options for community members,
perhaps each publicly funded.

As you must know, this is not in any way an endorsement of Creation
Science or even Intelligent Design Theory.


On Aug 4, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Carol or John Burgeson wrote:

> Terry wrote: "The problem here is that whatever is taught is always
> taught from
> some perspective.
> From what perspective is the science class being taught now? To
> teach a-religiously says something about religion--that it's not
> important for the topic at hand."
> Agreed. To teach math a-religiously says that religion is not
> important
> for understanding math. Similarly science.
> Likewise to teach math without referencing culinary skills says that
> culinary skills are not important for understanding math.
> Note that the above does not say that math may not be important in
> understanding both religion and culinary skills! <G>
> Burgy

Terry M. Gray, Ph.D.
Computer Support Scientist
Chemistry Department
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
(o) 970-491-7003 (f) 970-491-1801
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