Re: ICR's ACTS & FACTS for May, 2005

From: Michael Roberts <>
Date: Fri Apr 29 2005 - 01:10:41 EDT

There are many unfounded prejudices between different peoples, and popular
caricatures of Brits by Americans and vice versa are just one. Just recently
a university administrator told me how weak American graduates were . As I
had taught that "graduate" from some tinpot bible coll in Illinois I was
able to put her right and contrasted that place with some college just
outside Chicago! The dangers of arguing from the particular to the

Back to Gray. I do recommend his biography by Dupree as a good enlightening
read. It is not as well-written as Churchill but far more balanced in

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven M Smith" <>
To: "Michael Roberts" <>; <>;
<>; "Robert Schneider" <>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: ICR's ACTS & FACTS for May, 2005

> You wrote:
> <<some [English?] still have problems with americans, but I will leave
> that.............................>>
> I was hoping that we had both gotten over that little spat! <grin>
> Although I have to admit that I enjoyed reading Churchill's perspective on
> that American War of Rebellion in his History. Amazing how a little thing
> like national perspective changes the way history is written.
> <<Happy now>>
> Yep! I knew I could count on you to set me straight. Do you have a handy
> citation for Dupree's biography of Asa Gray or are you going to make me go
> look it up?
> Thanks again!
> Steve
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> My very limited knowledge of British history has shown
>> me that there has been a long history of tremendous hatred and bigotry
>> between the English and the Irish for several reasons--different
> cultures,
>> ethnicities, and religions tempered by atrocities from both sides.
> MR some still have problems with americans, but I will leave
> that.............................
>> > However, I question the implications, interpretations, and judgements
>> given
>> in the last two.
> Was Darwinism and 'evolutionary thinking' the reason for
>> Kingsley's racism?
> MR Definitely not. Anyway Darwin was not a racialist but only a racist in
> today's perverted PC understanding.
> Does Kingsley actually reject and distort God's word as
>> a result of Darwin?
> MR No he was always a fairly orthodox so slightly liberal Anglican. He
> didnt
> like Roman or Anglo-catholcis and evangelicals didnt like him!!
> Or do Kingsley's words reflect the common opinions of
>> his time where similar statements could be pulled from numerous writers?
> MR absolutely
>> ... and has AiG removed Kingsley's words from their cultural context and,
>> not so subtly, used them to slant the story and push their own agenda
> that
>> Darwin's ideas are a cancer that destroys a man's religion?
> MR what do you expect from AIG and ICR /
> Lastly I suggest people follow up Asa Gray both the man and the scientist
> Dupree has written a fine biography.
>> These are the questions that I would put to the historians.
> Happy now
> Michael
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