Re: ICR's ACTS & FACTS for May, 2005

From: Robert Schneider <>
Date: Thu Apr 28 2005 - 16:08:59 EDT

A group of polemicists that wish people to think that Darwin was psychotic
would naturally do a hatchet job on one of his admirers among the many
Anglican clergyman (country parsons that studied nature closely) who
supported Darwin.

I have seen photos of Irish men in the 19th century who let their sideburns
grow long, and whose appearance might remind one of a chimpanzee. Perhaps
some cartoonists caracatured Irish as chimps, since it is true that the
English looked down upon the Irish, remember they were under British rule,
whom they perceived as ignorant and dirty. Famine can really reduce people
to something less than cultured. Perhaps many of those who survived the
famine suffered from stunted growth, that would make them shorter. (people
generally were shorter in those days anyway). That Kingsley saw so many
along hundreds of miles of road is a reflection of the homelessness of many
and those who travelled distances to find food or work.

But Grigg left us with a more reflective statement which he refused to
parse. Kingsley was "haunted" by the sight, which I take to mean that he
was deeply affected by the destitution he witnessed. While, perhaps
unthinkingly, he used a term of insult, his response is surely one of pity
and not contempt.

What I find contemptible about the two articles is the way Griggs plays
(another form of) the race card to smear another supporter of Darwin, and a
popular writer at that. And I'll bet most readers of this list have seen
YEC depictions of Darwin, or their reprints of 19th cent. cartoons, making
Darwin look like an ape.

"Judge not, and you will not be judged. Condemn not and you will not be
condemned." (Anyone need chapter and verse?)

Bob Schneider

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven M Smith" <>
To: <>; <>; <>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: ICR's ACTS & FACTS for May, 2005

> Burgy wrote in reply to Michael:
> <<I appreciate the analysis. ICR often (not as often as AIG, IMHO) engages
> in ad hominem arguments to persuade the gullible of their thesis. It
> appears this is yet another in the series. "There you go again, Jerry
> Bergman." <G> >>
> Burgy, I have to agree with you that Answers in Genesis (AiG) very
> commonly
> "engages in ad hominem arguments to persuade the gullible." Your comment
> reminded me of a short article in the latest AiG newsletter (Answers
> Update, Vol. 12, no. 4) about Charles Kingsley. When I read it, my first
> reaction was that the Kingsley story had to be a typical AiG
> misrepresentation of history. But realizing that my own British history
> education is very poor (having only read Churchill's _History of the
> English Speaking People_ once), I immediately began to wonder how our
> resident ASA English and Anglican historian, M. Roberts, would respond.
> Below is the short story from the latest AiG newsletter, followed by a
> note
> and a question to Michael (and others).
> ---------------
> Human chimps?
> Did you know that a church leader once referred to some people in Ireland
> as "white chimpanzees"? Here's the sad story.
> In the 1840s and 1850s, Ireland suffered through the great Irish potato
> famine. It killed over one million people, in a land of only 8 million.
> In 1860, English clergyman Charles Kingsley visited Ireland. In a letter
> to his wife he wrote, concerning the refugees he saw, "I am haunted by the
> human chimpanzees I saw along that hundred miles of horrible country. ...
> to see white chimpanzees is dreadful; if they were black, one would not
> feel it so much, but their skins, except where tanned by exposure, are as
> white as ours."
> How could a church leader, a "man of God," ever refer to people as white
> chimpanzees? Well, Kingsley had been influenced by Darwin's Origin of
> Species, published only one year earlier. He had completely accepted
> racist evolutionary thinking and no longer considered humans as created in
> the image of God.
> Kingsley, like many church leaders after him, traded God's Word for man's
> word. Sadly, this thinking has had a devastating effect on the church and
> all of Western culture.
> (Excerpted from the May 17, 2005, radio broadcast of _Answers ... with Ken
> Ham_)
> Printed in Answers Update, Vol. 12, no. 4, p. 12
> ----------------
> This pre-quoted radio broadcast story was apparently condensed from at
> least two Creation Magazine articles about Charles Kingsley by Russell M.
> Grigg M.Sc. (Hons.) Creationist Chemist and Missionary (AiG — Australia)
> [bio blurb from AiG website - SMS].
> Potatoes and 'white chimpanzees'
> <>
> Darwin's quisling
> <>
> Michael (and other history buffs),
> What say ye? Did my baloney detector malfunction or does this smell of ad
> hominem and revisionist history?
> Steve
> [Disclaimer: Opinions expressed herein are my own. No one else--including
> my employer-- wants credit, blame, or responsibility for them.]
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