Re: New Pope on Darwinism - NO!

From: Robert Schneider <>
Date: Tue Apr 26 2005 - 21:28:26 EDT

Benedict XVI is quoted as saying, "We are not some casual and meaningless
product of evolution.
Each of us is the result of a thought of God. Each of us is willed, each of
us is loved, each of us is necessary."

If I may offer my own spin contra ID, in his first sentence the pope is
rejecting a materialist interpretation of evolution, not a biological
paradigm. In the second and third sentences he is stating a theological
truth. The latter are in conflict with the first, but not with the science
of evolution. However, since the ID crowd refuse to make this distinction,
they leap up and shout "hooray" that the pope (so they believe) is singing
their song. Wishful thinking, I say.

There is another issue the pope raises that I'll address in another post,
having to do with truth.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Roberts" <>
To: "George Murphy" <>; "Denyse O'Leary"
<>; <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: New Pope on Darwinism - NO!

> George
> I completely agree with what you say (as I always do!!!) This duplicitous
> and ambiguous use of Naturalism and ?Darwinism of so-many
> anti-evolutionists just muddies the water and prevents a good
> understanding of the issues as well as polarising Christians on the
> subject.
> Be careful George or else a latter day John Knox will be out to get you.
> BTW what did B16 actually say about Darwinism?
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Murphy" <>
> To: "Denyse O'Leary" <>; <>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: New Pope on Darwinism - NO!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Denyse O'Leary" <>
>> To: "'George Murphy'" <>; <>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:30 AM
>> Subject: RE: New Pope on Darwinism - NO!
>>> Come ON, George!
>>> B 16 is clearly signalling that he will make it more difficult to
>>> promote
>>> naturalism by claiming that "the Pope supports evolution."
>>> Groups like NCSE have been doing that for quite a while now. They seem
>>> to
>>> have more dog collars than the Humane Society.
>>> Here in Canada, I am seeing encouraging signs that Catholics are waking
>>> up
>>> to what is being done in their name.
>>> Recently, Fr. Martin Hilbert of the Toronto Oratory gave a talk at
>>> Ryerson
>>> University in which he made perfectly clear that the Catholic Church
>>> does
>>> NOT support Darwinism, and anyone who so represents it is, at best,
>>> confused.
>>> Years ago, I did not run into many Catholics who had that many smarts
>>> about
>>> the key issues, but I am seeing more of them all the time.
>>> Prediction: The number of Catholics interested in ID will spike.
>> When I point out your ambiguous use of "Darwinism" you respond with
>> another classical ambiguity, "naturalism." Do you ever try for clarity?
>> Are you able to distinguish, at least in principle, the 2 senses of
>> "Darwinism" that I spoke about earlier? & similarly with metaphysical &
>> methodological naturalism? If you can't then everything you say on this
>> topic will continue to be muddled.
>> Maybe you ought to consider the possibility that some of the people with
>> "dog collars" who support good science education & oppose things like ID
>> actually know something about theology. The fact that IDers avoid
>> serious discussion of theology when at all possible (as you also do in
>> your recent book - & when you do talk about it you generally get it
>> wrong) is significant.
>> Shalom
>> George
Received on Tue Apr 26 21:29:24 2005

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