RE: Death before the Fall and the extent of the Flood

From: Don Perrett <>
Date: Wed Apr 20 2005 - 06:41:11 EDT

Sorry David,

A parrot is a bird but not all birds are parrots. I did not say that mice
or rats(being mammals) would have been included in livestock/wild animals.
The point I was making is that livestock and wild animals are generally
mammals. Some people however might raise alligators for livestock. Other
might raise chickens. If you notice, I also placed another mammal (insects)
into the flying things category. In general, my point was that "they" had
some sense of grouping. While ancient knowledge was limited by their
experience and "technology", people of old were not less intelligent than we
are, but perhaps smarter than we are. They don't seem to have the
psychological hangups like over thinking that we do.

Don P

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Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Death before the Fall and the extent of the Flood

> As for the taxonomies, I would image that mammals are in a sense "nearly"
> defined by the groupings of flying things (birds/bats/insects/etc),
> things/things that move along the ground (reptiles/insects/etc), and
> "livestock/wild animals(mostly mammals)".

Rats and mice seem to fall under creeping things rather than livestock/wild
animals. Current molecular studies place them closer to primates than any
other mammals occurring near the ancient Near East. Thus, the attempt to
read "mammals" or "higher mammals" into the Biblical categories seems
unlikely to succeed.

If death of non-mammals is OK then the death before the fall issue fails to
rule out the geologic record up through the late Triassic (assuming that
creation scientists probably don't adopt cladistic taxonomy).

    Dr. David Campbell
    Old Seashells
    University of Alabama
    Biodiversity & Systematics
    Dept. Biological Sciences
    Box 870345
    Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0345 USA

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