Re: conscious existence after death?

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Date: Tue Apr 19 2005 - 14:24:19 EDT

Yes I have Cooper's book.

And to get in a shameless plug. There is a forthcoming

  In Search Of The Soul: Four Views Of The Mind-body

which I am shamelessly plugging because one of the editors
(Corcoran) is an old friend of mine. He is from Calvin
College BTW, and is a Christian monist.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:32:42 -0600
  "Terry M. Gray" <> wrote:
>You might check in with some of the standard Reformed
>confessions on this, say the Westminster Confession of
>Faith or the Belgic Confession along with Biblical
>proof-texts supporting those confessional claims. I
>suspect that the Lutheran, Anglican, and Roman Catholic
>confessions and catechisms also support the dualist
>anthropology and the existence of a conscious
>intermediate state.
>Also, I would recommend the book by William Hendricksen
>*The Bible on the Life Hereafter* which discusses the
>Biblical data relating to the intermediate state. This
>book is from 1963 and may be hard to find but is a
>straightforward discussion of the subject by a Christian
>Reformed pastor/theologian.
>A more up-to-date work that takes into account the recent
>resurgence of monism but ends up defending the dualist
>view largely on the grounds of the way the Bible speaks
>of a conscious non-corporeal intermediate state is John
>Cooper's *Body, Soul & Liffe Everlasting: Biblical
>Anthropology & the Monism-Dualism Debate*.
>The interesting thing for our recent discussion about
>this work is that it comes out of Calvin Theological
>Seminary. Both Jan and Loren also come from a Reformed
>(and in particular, a Christian Reformed background).
>Jan, in particular, makes it sound as if the Christian
>Reformed tradition is thoroughly monist and that everyone
>recognizes dualism as a remnant of Plato. The reality is
>that this is just a sliver of the Christian Reformed
>tradition following the philosopher/theologian Hermann
>Dooyeweerd. Of course, Cooper addresses that perspective
>in his book since it is part of his tradition.
>>Jan did not want to continue a discussion on this topic,
>>so I thought I would post it seperately. I want to know
>>if any of you have an opinion, and evidence to support
>>your view of the following question(s).
>>After death, do our souls/person/mind whatever you want
>>to call it, cease to exist until the general
>>resurrection? Or is there an intermediate state of
>>conscious existence until the resurrection? And if there
>>is an intermediate state, is this corporeal or only
>>I am still working through the monism/dualism question.
>>And scientifically it seems to me the best evidence is
>>leading me towards monism. But the Bible, from the best I
>>can tell, seems to say that there is an intermediate
>>conscious state, followed by a general resurrection into
>>a "spiritual" body. This would disagree with Jan's idea
>>that there is no "time" in hades/sheol because the souls
>>there are conscious.
>>But I am looking for different perspectives on this.
>Terry M. Gray, Ph.D., Computer Support Scientist
>Chemistry Department, Colorado State University
>Fort Collins, Colorado 80523
>phone: 970-491-7003 fax: 970-491-1801
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