RE: Importance of Creation Debate

From: Don Perrett <>
Date: Fri Apr 15 2005 - 11:12:01 EDT

Rich wrote:
  Of course we should wonder, but we should recognize that men have been
wondering for 4,000 years without a definitive resolution and all we can do
is continue to wonder because our scientific tools still cannot find the God
in the machine. That, I believe is the message of the Rig Veda, the Jewish
description of God as ineffable and Job's repentance at the end of the Book
of Job. You can wonder all you want about how God works in the material
world, but in the end all you can do is surrender to his manifestations.
  The fruit is in the social sciences. Vedic society dismembered man into
social classes: priests, warriors and producers, of those 3 classes, Judaism
later became a nation of priests. Jesus was of the order of Melchizedek, a
priest/king. These are social facts that can be understood. The efficacy of
Biblical law for the survival and betterment of human populations made in
the image and likeness of God can be determined.
  That is why the most fruitful study of religion is from a social science
perspective, not from physics or geology. Before man there was no religion.
Celestial bodies and non-self conscious lower forms of life do not need
religion. They already do God's will and conform completely to God's
physical laws either because they are inanimate or because they are governed
by instinct. It is man with his free will who abandons God and needs to be
'bound back" to God. Man needs religion. The proper study of religion is
human behavior in the face of God and that is done with the tools of social
science. So, look in wonderment at the painting you cannot penetrate while
penetrating the painting you can.

[Don Perrett]

It's a given that all religions touch on the areas of social sciences,
phylosophy, etc. But if one takes the view that we must "surrender to his
menifestations", then would this not mean we should not pursue unimportant
areas of study? Why should anyone pursue something which is not attainable.
Spirituality, redemption, and salvation are all achieveable. Understanding
the working of God's creation is not. We may gain knowledge of it, bit by
bit. But, in the end we will never achieve ultimate knowledge. So again,
why do it? Is this what God would want? Or for some, WWJD?

Society from a religious point has merit, unfortunately, secular society
(based on only social sciences) tends to try to accomodate everyone's needs.
We are not gods and cannot do so. We can only take care of the majority.
THis is of course the difference between forms of socialism and democracy.
But I digress.

Yes there was no "established" form of religion before man. But
spirituality has existed for as long as God has. The idea of doing God's
will is, has been, and will be the formost problem. Free will prevents it
but without free will cannot "choose to do his will". I do NOT agree that
man needs religion in its established form. Man needs spirituality, and
love, respect and fear of God. Salvation is the tool to fix our misgivings.
But if there were no established religion, or bibilical document, some would
still find God. Its for us less blessed or enlightened that churchs are
made. For those of us who cannot love and honor and praise God without such
establishments. This doesn't make those in need any less a person, but
perhaps less "self" enlightened. If one takes a look at the beginnings of
the major religions, you will find someone with "some" prior religious
experience/background but enlightened enough to find fault in the
establishment. Not that there answers are any better.

I like your last statement. Actually answers my first para above. But with
time and accumulated knowledge man will always find something he can
understand more about the universe.

Personally, in the end science should not serve our own interests and
self-improvement, which is the usual outcome, but God's purpose for us. If
our goal is to make man more "hi-tech" and smart it is sin, in my opinion.
We are not gods. If the purpose is to understand God or to give mankind
more time to serve and praise God then this is good.

Don P
Received on Fri Apr 15 11:13:08 2005

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