Re: Mountains

From: <bpayne15@juno.com>
Date: Thu Apr 14 2005 - 23:42:01 EDT

Michael,

Apparently you didn't comprehend my initial post. Baumgardner (see http://icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-381.htm) quoted the authors of "The Origin of Mountains" (Cliff Ollier and Colin Pain) as saying that all the high mountain ranges of the world - including the Himalayas, Alps, Andes and Rockies, rose from plains within the last 5 million years. "In terms of this time scale, these mountain ranges have all undergone several kilometers of vertical uplift since the beginning of the Pliocene about five million years ago." Last time I checked 5 million years was a little beyond the scope of the YEC timetable.

"This lack of agreement between field observation and uniformitarian expectation has led to conflict among specialists in the ranks of the larger earth science community. Theorists who address these matters, confident that their uniformitarian models are sound, tend to ignore the observational reports or reinterpret them as much as they can to match the predictions of their theories. Geomorphologists who focus on this topic, on the other hand, confident their observations correspond to reality, tend to dismiss the explanations of the theorists as hopelessly out of touch with the real world. However, because of the specialization that typifies most of science today, a sizable fraction of the earth science community is largely oblivious that the uplift history of today's mountains is even an issue at all."

I suppose we could say you and Glenn have placed yourselves into the oblivious category. This thread began with Stephanie:

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teaching evolution & creation science in public schools...

From: Stephanie Burke <smburke@orion.naz.edu>
Date: Tue Mar 15 2005 - 13:49:28 EST

I am interested in soliciting opinions from ASA membership regarding the
teaching of evolution vs. creation science/creationism in American public
schools. Some questions to consider...

As "scientists teaching in the Christian perspective" how do you personally
handle teaching evolution, which most view as being in direct opposition to
the origins of life as outlined by the Bible?

What SHOULD be taught in public schools? Creationism? Evolution? Or a
combination of both?

Is there a way to present creationism in a non-biased, non-partisan way which
will not be misinterpreted by public school administration as forcing certain
religious views upon students?

Is it a violation of the First Amendment to teach creationism in
governmentally funded public schools? Do you view this as an issue of the
"separation of church and state?"

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated... thanks...

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It is my opinion that science should be taught unfettered by allergic reactions such as those displayed by you and Glenn. Neither of you comprehended what Baumgardner was saying as he quoted Ollier and Pain; both of you jumped Baumgardner for his YEC views rather than commenting on the work he referenced. Stephanie asked: "Is there a way to present creationism in a non-biased, non-partisan way which will not be misinterpreted by public school administration as forcing certain
religious views upon students?" The two of you have shown that the answer to Stephanie's question is "NO." Scientific data which supports a model of earth history that lends aid and comfort to creationists is generally ignored or ridiculed.

Michael, you said "You see Bill my criticisms of YEC are based on extensive knowledge." Not this time Michael; this time your criticisms were based upon willful ignorance.

Since the paperback version of this book is ~$60 (hardback ~$150), then I doubt I'll be sending you a free copy.

Bill

-- "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
Send me a free copy and I will read it. As it is I have too any YEC books,
often annotated for misquotation etc etc.

I have read most of the Impact series so I am not hopeful; that anything ICR
produces will be any good.

You see Bill my criticisms of YEC are based on extensive knowledge.

Michael

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