RE: Importance of Creation Debate

From: Don Perrett <>
Date: Thu Apr 14 2005 - 11:33:36 EDT

As to the origin of the passages, I might agree. But the question I pose is
in reference to its meaning. If by the quotation, "Who then knows whence it
has arisen?" you are implying that the Rg Veda is saying that no one knows,
this does not imply that no one cares about the creation. But I do
appreciate the input.

Don P
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  In a message dated 4/14/05 1:55:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes:
    Hello All,

    Since having join this list, I have heard and seen many instances where
    people have stated that the debate over creation is pointless or
    unnecessary; that time is better spent on other things. I certainly
    that other things are important, but for those of you who hold the above
    view, please can you explain the following passages:

    Job 38

        4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?

        Tell me, if you understand.

        5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!

        Who stretched a measuring line across it?

        6 On what were its footings set,

        or who laid its cornerstone-

        7 while the morning stars sang together

        and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?

    If the idea of proven the creation is not important to us, then why is
    important to HIM. It would seem to me that any god can say that he
    the universe. Are we to take it on faith alone that "our" God created
    I am of the view that passages such as the above are intended
    to show that God himself is providing the proof.

    Not to take out of context: "I'm right, and if you don't think I'm
    just ask me and I'll tell you how right I am." (sorry Dave, I know this
    not what you meant by this statement)

    I do not believe that God is stating the above. Therefore there must be
    reason for his statements to Job.

    Anyone that can offer another reason for the statements of God please
    enlighten me.

    Don P
  Adolphe Franck says the Book of Job is Chaldean in origin. Do you find any
similarity between Job 38 and these lines?

  "There was neither non-existence nor existence then; there was neither the
realm of space nor the sky which is beyond. What stirred? Where? In whose
protection? Was there water, bottomlessly deep?
  Their cord (a kind of measuring cord by which the poets delimit and hence
create the elements) was extended across. Was there above? Was there below?
  Who really knows? Who will here proclaim it? Whence was it produced?
Whence is this creation? The gods came afterwards with the creation of the
universe. Who then knows whence it has arisen?"
  Flaherty, The Rig Veda, Penguin Classics

  Note the basic idea of delimiting existence with a measuring line in Job
and a cord in this Creation Hymn from the Rig Veda and note additionally the
similar question formats.

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