RE: Mu (Was Re: CT article: Darwinists, not Christians, stonewalling the facts)

From: Glenn Morton <>
Date: Sun Apr 03 2005 - 22:57:18 EDT

I would agree that Christ wasn't born on Dec. 25, but the fact is, that
by taking on the trappings of another religion, true theology can get
hammered and it makes my question even more vital.

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Subject: RE: Mu (Was Re: CT article: Darwinists, not Christians,
stonewalling the facts)

Hi Glenn, you wrote:

>>Here is what zoroaster taught:]
--Zoroaster was born of a virgin and immaculate conception by a ray of
divine reason.
--He was baptized in a river.
--In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom.
--He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil.
--He began his ministry at age 30.
--Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and holy wind.
--He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man.
--He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including
resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse.
--He had a sacred cup or grail.
--He was slain.
--His religion had a eucharist.
--He was the Word made flesh.
--Zoroasters followers expected a second coming in the virgin-born
Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 CE and begin his ministry at
age 30, ushering in a golden age.<<
Here is a website on Zoroaster that doesn't seem to show the same
Christlike attributes, and specifically says he was not "born of a
"His mother glowed with the divine Glory usually reserved for kings; the
soul of the prophet was placed by God in the sacred Haoma plant (which
Z. condemned in the Gathas) and the prophet was conceived through the
essence of Haoma in milk (though the birth is not a virgin birth, but
the natural product of two special, but earthly parents.)."
As for Mithra, Christ was not born on December 25th. The Jews would not
have been required to journey to pay taxes in winter. He was likely
born sometime in the Summer. His birthdate was moved to December 25th
to corrrespond with the pagan holiday, that part is pretty well known.
Here is a historical blurb:
"For over three hundred years the rulers of the Roman Empire worshipped
the god Mithras. Known throughout Europe and Asia by the names Mithra,
Mitra, Meitros, Mihr, Mehr, and Meher, the veneration of this god began
around 2800 years ago in Persia, where it was soon moved west and became
imbedded with Babylonian doctrines. There is mention of Mithra or Mitra
(et al) before 2800, but only as a minor diety and without much
information. It appears to be after 2800 when Mithra is transformed
and starts to play a major role among the gods. The faith spread east
through India to China, and reached west throughout the entire length of
the Roman frontier; from Scotland to the Sahara Desert, and from Spain
to the Black Sea. Sites of Mithraic worship have been found in Britain,
Italy, Romania, Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Turkey, Persia, Armenia,
Syria, Israel, and North Africa. In Rome, more than a hundred
inscriptions dedicated to Mithra have been found, in addition to 75
sculpture fragments, and a series of Mithraic temples situated in all
parts of the city. One of the largest Mithraic temples built in Italy
now lies under the present site of the Church of St. Clemente, near the
Colosseum in Rome. The widespread popularity and appeal of Mithraism
as the final and most refined form of pre-Christian paganism was
discussed by the Greek historian Herodotus, the Greek biographer
Plutarch, the neoplatonic philosopher Porphyry, the Gnostic heretic
Origen, and St. Jerome the church Father. Mithraism was quite often
noted by many historians for its many astonishing similarities to
Christianity. The faithful referred to Mithra as "the Light of the
World", symbol of truth, justice, and loyalty. He was mediator between
heaven and earth and was a member of a Holy Trinity. According to
Persian mythology, Mithras was born of a virgin given the title 'Mother
of God'. The god remained celibate throughout his life, and valued
self-control, renunciation and resistance to sensuality among his
worshippers. Mithras represented a system of ethics in which
brotherhood was encouraged in order to unify against the forces of evil.
The worshippers of Mithras held strong beliefs in a celestial heaven and
an infernal hell. They believed that the benevolent powers of the god
would sympathize with their suffering and grant them the final justice
of immortality and eternal salvation in the world to come. They looked
forward to a final day of Judgment in which the dead would resurrect,
and to a final conflict that would destroy the existing order of all
things to bring about the triumph of light over darkness.

Purification through a ritualistic baptism was required of the faithful,
who also took part in a ceremony in which they drank wine and ate bread
to symbolize the body and blood of the god. Sundays were held sacred,
and the birth of the god was celebrated annually on December the 25th.
After the earthly mission of this god had been accomplished, he took
part in a Last Supper with his companions before ascending to heaven, to
forever protect the faithful from above.

However, it would be a vast oversimplification to suggest that Mithraism
was the single forerunner of early Christianity. Aside from Christ and
Mithras, there were plenty of other deities (such as Osiris, Tammuz,
Adonis, Balder, Attis, and Dionysus) said to have died and resurrected.
Many classical heroic figures, such as Hercules, Perseus, and Theseus,
were said to have been born through the union of a virgin mother and
divine father. Virtually every pagan religious practice and festivity
that couldn't be suppressed or driven underground was eventually
incorporated into the rites of Christianity as it spread across Europe
and throughout the world."

I can't speak to all the rest, but "Tammuz" is the Sumerian Dumuzi who
disappeared starting a cult following that lasted for centuries of women
weeping and wailing at the city gates for the departed Dumuzi, or Tammuz
in Hebrew (See Ezek. 8:14). And he was a king not a deity.

I think your point about the historicity of Christ is important. He had
identifiable ancestors unlike these mystery deities.

Dick Fischer - Genesis Proclaimed Association
Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
Received on Sun Apr 3 22:59:28 2005

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