Re: The Curse - Upon All Creation or Just Mankind?

From: Jim Armstrong <>
Date: Fri Sep 24 2004 - 16:27:04 EDT

That's an important question to examine because the conclusions have
such a strong practical bearing on biggie discussions on important stuff
like end-of-life matters and stem cell research (for starters). It's a
daunting question to explore in an environment where some are all too
ready to leap to their feet with an instant affirmative answer. But I
think the answer is "no". In any case, a thoughtful exploration of this
question is appropriate and timely and very important.

Just to mention one issue, the present fairly widespread opinion
(embodying the "yes" answer to your question) seems to leave Christian
doctors and families who face life or death decisions pretty much adrift
in a special kind of isolation with their decision(s). And, faced with
making some kind of decision, all too often any choice made will be
wrong to some very well-meaning people. Something seems to be amiss.

I think the answer (which took a long time to get to), "no". I touched
on some of the rationale in a previous post or two.
An excellent question you pose. But there is one embedded question that
asks whether death by old age is really different in any significant way
from death by identifiable, treatable disease? Still, an excellent question.

Or so it seemeth to me... JimA

Sheila Wilson wrote:

> One of the four options presented by David Campbell, aka Uncle Joe,
> says: "Death of animals is not inherently a moral evil." This leads
> me to the following question: is the physical death of man inherently
> evil? (Assuming death by old age, of course.) I believe this is the
> most correct option of the four given.
> Sheila
> bivalve <> wrote:
> > The real question is whether death occurred before the fall. The
> Bible doesn't say. Inferring that death didn't occur because God
> said His creation was good is probably wrong. Death is often
> referred to as a good thing; for example, a seed must be buried in
> the ground and die before a new plant is grown and we must die to
> self (crucify our flesh) in order to be obedient to God. Inferring
> that nothing ever died before the fall is also false because God
> promised seed time and harvest will never cease as long as the
> earth endures (Genesis 8:22).
> >
> > What is the answer? Can we even discover the answer in this age?
> Paleontological evidence clearly indicates the death of animals
> (including predation) long before the existence of humans.
> At least four explanations exist:
> Paleontological evidence is incorrect.
> Death of animals is not inh erently a moral evil.
> Satan's fall was allowed to affect animals.
> The state of the world reflected humanity's future fall (cf.
> salvation of OT believers before Jesus' earthly life).
> Dr. David Campbell
> Old Seashells
> University of Alabama
> Biodiversity & Systematics
> Dept. Biological Sciences
> Box 870345
> Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0345 USA
> That is Uncle Joe, taken in the masonic regalia of a Grand Exalted
> Periwinkle of the Mystic Order of Whelks-P.G. Wodehouse, Romance
> at Droitgate Spa
> Sheila McGinty Wilson
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