Re: flying saucer

From: jack syme <>
Date: Fri Sep 17 2004 - 17:20:45 EDT

" The Bible clearly describes a cubic Jerusalem with a river of living water flowing from it. If this were the new earth, we would see that."

But that is all figurative. What you have to understand is all of that has already happened. The New Jerusalem is the Church. Rev 21:2 says that the New Jerusalem is prepared "as a bride". The church is the bride of Christ, right?

  The New Heavens and Earth, is the New Covenant. The judgement ocurred at 70 AD. It was a judgment upon the earth, the earth being the Old Covenant. The elements in Peter, is again a symbol of the Old Covenant, which was destroyed at the judgement in 70 AD, and the New Heavens and Earth was put in place.

You can see the New Jerusalem. You can see the New Heavens and Earth, you just have to know what they look like.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Sheila Wilson
  To: jack syme ; AmericanScientificAffiliation
  Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:55 PM
  Subject: Re: flying saucer

  I am very serious. My belief is consistent with Isaiah 34 and 1 Peter 3 (specifically verses 7 & 11-13). In addition, Jesus said that even the rocks would cry out His praise. If God can make a donkey talk, he can definitely make the rocks cry out. Yes, I also believe the donkey talked, Moses saw a bush on fire and the fire didn't consume the bush, and Elijah soaked the offering with water that God set on fire from heaven. These are trivial compared to the miracle of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God used His fingers to create the heavens and the earth but He used His whole arm to raise Christ from the dead.

  Yes, we are under the new covenant because of the death of Jesus Christ but this is not the new earth. This earth will pass away and a new earth with a new Jerusalem will be made. The Bible clearly describes a cubic Jerusalem with a river of living water flowing from it. If this were the new earth, we would see that.


  jack syme <> wrote:
    You cant be serious. God is going to judge the rocks and trees, the mountains and streams? I hardly think so.

    I am sorry but obviously the mountains dont sing either. And the rivers dont have hands to clap with.

    This is just an example of how ALL of us have been seeing scripture all of these years with futurist glasses. The truth is there, plain to see, but it is so hard to understand because we have been trained for years to see things differently. Most of the Church sees biblical prophecy with erroneous presuppositions.

    The Earth is not going to be judged. The New Heavens and Earth is here, it is the New Covenant.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Sheila Wilson
      To: ; AmericanScientificAffiliation
      Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:37 PM
      Subject: Re: flying saucer

      I was tongue in cheek right along with you!

      On a more serious note (in reference to other emails) about the fallen state of the world, Psalm 98:8-9 says:

      "Let the rivers clap their hands,
      Let the mountains sing together for joy;
      let them sing before the LORD ,
      for he comes to judge the earth.
      He will judge the world in righteousness
      and the peoples with equity."

      Which certainly indicates that the earth itself is in need of judging and is therefore fallen with/because of man.

      Sheila wrote:
        Shila Wilson wrote:

>>You stated that believing in an "objective reality" defines whether we are sentient. Very curious. We live in a world where most people define themselves with subjective reality: our perception is our reality. Humanism thus means non-sentient but those of us who believe in an objective reality, a truth outside ourselves, are sentient. We clearly need a broader definition of sentience but that is one of the questions that still haunts mankind.

        It was not intended to be very complete and was intended
        more as tongue and cheek.

        I don't think humanism is necessarily subjective and whereas
        people may claim that "it's all relative," just work them up
        in a rage about something and ask them again. Even if we
        use "science" as our measuring stick, we are still admitting
        that some object ive standard is needed. Forget the ballyhoo
        about how we benefit by following the rules. Maybe I am wrong,
        but it is probably irrational to live as though the world
        is really subjective. Instead, most of us are using our wits
        to pick and chose what we think we can get away with when we
        say that.

        by Grace alone we proceed,

      Sheila McGinty Wilson

  Sheila McGinty Wilson
Received on Fri Sep 17 18:28:28 2004

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