Re: Church-State -- some history

From: Jan de Koning <>
Date: Mon May 31 2004 - 11:57:12 EDT

At 10:26 AM 30/05/2004 -0600, John W Burgeson wrote:
> >>> I expect less abuse of power than I see in states that exploit their
> > to do almost anything in the name of a privileged status relative to
>God or
> > Allah.
>Such expectation seems highly unrealistic in light of the behavior of
>governments that explicitly claim as highest authority "the proletariat"
>or "the master race." >>
>I would argue that both the USSR and Nazi Germany claimed allegiance to a
>god they named either Stalin" or "Hitler." A god need not be supernatural
>to engender evil.
>The current American political system is messy, inefficient, and it is
>all too easy to prosper in it at the expense of the poor. It is like an
>old jalopy, breaking down at times, held together with duct tape and
>hairpins, uncomfortable, slow, and emits an incredible amount of
>pollution as it goes.
>It's still better than all other forms of gov't so far tried.

Is it? A few weeks ago I saw a list of countries felt to be most
democratic in a e-mail. I did not save that e-mail unfortunately. In a
list of most democratic nations the USA was near the bottom. Several
European nations were near the top. Agreeing that a system is "messy,
inefficient, and it is all too easy to prosper in it at the expense of the
poor" means that measures should be taken to improve the system. The
system here in Canada is somewhat better (not a whole lot) in that we do
not have two parties with about the same priorities: THE ECONOMY. We have
at least a socialist party as well, which looks at "the economy"
differently. A Christian party which would stress Christian values is
highly necessary yet. However, the "district" voting is a drawback, which
the USA really saw in operation when Bush became president. (re: Florida's
voting). Proportionalty (even if it is only by state) would be an
improvement, but would still hamper smaller parties.
As Christians will be a minority always, the Christian voice will really
only be heard in a proportional system.

So,could our systems of government really still be called 'democratic?"

Jan de Koning
Received on Mon May 31 12:09:11 2004

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