RE: Sustainable Oil? From WorldNet Daily

From: Glenn Morton <glennmorton@entouch.net>
Date: Thu May 27 2004 - 20:45:52 EDT

I agree with everything Don has written here, except that Gold's theorys
cause him to drill into crystalline basement. That well was due to the
silliness of the Swedish people who voted in the early 80s to shut down
the nukes. The Swedish Government needed to do something to convince
the populace that their choice was either nukes or freeze in the dark.
Thus they grabbed ahold of Gold's theory and drilled the well. It was a
confluence of events.
 
However, I do think Gold is right when it comes to methane. Lots of
methane is biogenic but methane also is found venting from the
mid-oceanic ridges so it does come out of the center of the earth as it
does on other planets as well.

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Don Winterstein
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:05 AM
To: asa@lists.calvin.edu; William Hamilton
Subject: Re: Sustainable Oil? From WorldNet Daily

I suspect Glenn is closer to the details of this kind of thing than I
was, but as a former oil company scientist I've been familiar with the
basic ideas for decades. It takes experts to evaluate some of the
claims being made, but the consensus among industry earth scientists as
of a few years ago was that few of these claims could be substantiated.
I've never heard a knowledgeable industry scientist say Gold was
completely out to lunch, but the burden of proof is on him, and so far
he's come up short.
 
The sudden increase in oilfield reserves by a huge amount is a
phenomenon I've never heard of. It sounds implausible. The kinds of
increases commonly cited are from applications of advanced reservoir
technology or seismic technology such as time-lapse 3D. They are rarely
if ever huge.
 
An intriguing theory now permeating oil company research staffs suggests
that crude oil may actually be a natural inorganic product, not a
stepchild of unfathomable time and organic degradation.
 
As a recently retired 25-year-long member of one such major oil company
research staff, this would be news to me. No one was taking this idea
seriously as recently as 1999.
 
The processes of hydrocarbon formation in sedimentary rock have been
thoroughly studied, and the conditions for it are well known. It's not
a "stepchild of unfathomable time." It has a lot to do with pressures,
temperatures and impermeable barriers.
 
Periodically, depending on variations of geology, the vast, deep pools
of oil break free and replenish existing known reserves of oil.
 
These "vast, deep pools of oil" are figments of someone's imagination.
Deep drilling has found no evidence of them. If it had, it would have
sparked major follow-up efforts. In fact, the exploration industry
would probably be doing nothing now except drilling for these "vast
pools."
 
[Gold] notes that geologic structures where oil is found all correspond
to "deep earth" formations, not the haphazard depositions we find with
sedimentary rock, associated fossils or even current surface life.
 
This is Gold's fantasy, and it has led him to drill for oil in
crystalline rock. The reality is that almost all oil is found in
sedimentary structures or stratigraphic traps with associated fossils.
There are chemical fossils as well, in that complex molecules such as
those from shark livers commonly appear, if and when the liquids are
carefully analyzed. Almost no oil of any consequence has been found in
deep earth formations such as fractured igneous rock. Where it has been
found in such rock, petroleum geologists have reasons to believe it
migrated in from sedimentary rock.
 
[Gold] notes that oil extracted from varying depths from the same oil
field have the same chemistry oil chemistry does not vary as fossils
vary with increasing depth.
 
Oil chemistry is highly variable from field to field. Chemistry also
changes with depth, in that deeper fluids at higher temperatures and
pressures have been more thoroughly "cooked." If you go deep enough,
you find only gas. To the degree that the chemistry does not change,
the liquids very likely all have a common source.
 
Also interesting is the fact that oil is found in huge quantities among
geographic formations where assays of prehistoric life are not
sufficient to produce the existing reservoirs of oil.
 
In some cases it's difficult to know what the source rocks are, and in
other cases the liquids appear to have migrated some distance, so there
are indeed uncertainties. Petroleum geologists and chemists believe
that there are adequate source rocks wherever oil has been found. That
is the working model, and no one in the industry--to my
knowledge--doubts it. As a rule industry scientists spend lots of time
and effort identifying source rocks and can usually succeed in doing so,
at least to a high degree of plausibility. If there's sufficient
motivation the scientists compare chemical markers in oils with those in
suspected source rocks.
 
Dr. Kenney is on record predicting that parts of Siberia contain a deep
reservoir of oil equal to or exceeding that already discovered in the
Middle East.
 
I'm not holding my breath until he finds it!
 
He was quoted as stating that "competent physicists, chemists, chemical
engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have known that
natural petroleum does not evolve from biological materials since the
last quarter of the 19th century."

This would be news to industry scientists. Are they all incompetent?
Chevron's typically came from the top universities in the country. On
the other hand, Kenney and Gold need to substantiate their claims. Gold
has tried and so far failed.
 
A Hedberg Conference, sponsored by the American Association of Petroleum
Geologists, was scheduled to discuss and publicly debate this issue.
Papers were solicited from interested academics and professionals. The
conference was scheduled to begin June 9, 2003, but was canceled at the
last minute.
 
I can guess why it was canceled: too much unsuppressed laughter.
 
Don
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: William Hamilton <mailto:whamilton51@comcast.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 4:12 PM
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This sounds like pollyanna quackery to me, but since it mentions a
formation in the Gulf of Mexico, which Glenn is familiar with, and
probably other places he's familiar with, I thought I'd forward this to
the list for Glenn's comments.

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Tuesday, May 25, 2004
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Sustainable oil?
By Chris Bennett
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Posted: May 25, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

About 80 miles off of the coast of Louisiana lies a mostly submerged
mountain, the top of which is known as Eugene Island. The portion
underwater is an eerie-looking, sloping tower jutting up from the depths
of the Gulf of Mexico, with deep fissures and perpendicular faults which
spontaneously spew natural gas. A significant reservoir of crude oil was
discovered nearby in the late '60s, and by 1970, a platform named Eugene
330 was busily producing about 15,000 barrels a day of high-quality
crude oil.

By the late '80s, the platform's production had slipped to less than
4,000 barrels per day, and was considered pumped out. Done. Suddenly, in
1990, production soared back to 15,000 barrels a day, and the reserves
which had been estimated at 60 million barrels in the '70s, were
recalculated at 400 million barrels. Interestingly, the measured
geological age of the new oil was quantifiably different than the oil
pumped in the '70s.

Analysis of seismic recordings revealed the presence of a "deep fault"
at the base of the Eugene Island reservoir which was gushing up a river
of oil from some deeper and previously unknown source.

Similar results were seen at other Gulf of Mexico oil wells. Similar
results were found in the Cook Inlet oil fields in Alaska. Similar
results were found in oil fields in Uzbekistan. Similarly in the Middle
East, where oil exploration and extraction have been underway for at
least the last 20 years, known reserves have doubled. Currently there
are somewhere in the neighborhood of 680 billion barrels of Middle East
reserve oil.

Creating that much oil would take a big pile of dead dinosaurs and
fermenting prehistoric plants. Could there be another source for crude
oil?

An intriguing theory now permeating oil company research staffs suggests
that crude oil may actually be a natural inorganic product, not a
stepchild of unfathomable time and organic degradation. The theory
suggests there may be huge, yet-to-be-discovered reserves of oil at
depths that dwarf current world estimates.

The theory is simple: Crude oil forms as a natural inorganic process
which occurs between the mantle and the crust, somewhere between 5 and
20 miles deep. The proposed mechanism is as follows:

• Methane (CH4) is a common molecule found in quantity throughout our
solar system huge concentrations exist at great depth in the Earth.

• At the mantle-crust interface, roughly 20,000 feet beneath the
surface, rapidly rising streams of compressed methane-based gasses hit
pockets of high temperature causing the condensation of heavier
hydrocarbons. The product of this condensation is commonly known as
crude oil.

• Some compressed methane-based gasses migrate into pockets and
reservoirs we extract as "natural gas."

• In the geologically "cooler," more tectonically stable regions around
the globe, the crude oil pools into reservoirs.

• In the "hotter," more volcanic and tectonically active areas, the oil
and natural gas continue to condense and eventually to oxidize,
producing carbon dioxide and steam, which exits from active volcanoes.

• Periodically, depending on variations of geology and Earth movement,
oil seeps to the surface in quantity, creating the vast oil-sand
deposits of Canada and Venezuela, or the continual seeps found beneath
the Gulf of Mexico and Uzbekistan.

• Periodically, depending on variations of geology, the vast, deep pools
of oil break free and replenish existing known reserves of oil.

There are a number of observations across the oil-producing regions of
the globe that support this theory, and the list of proponents begins
with Mendelev (who created the periodic table of elements) and includes
Dr.Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University Center for
Radiophysics and Space Research) and Dr. J.F. Kenney of Gas Resources
Corporations, Houston, Texas.

In his 1999 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," Dr. Gold presents compelling
evidence for inorganic oil formation. He ot the haphazard depositions we
find with sedimentary rock, associated fossils or even current surface
life.notes that geologic structures where oil is found all correspond to
"deep earth" formations, n

He also notes that oil extracted from varying depths from the same oil
field have the same chemistry oil chemistry does not vary as fossils
vary with increasing depth. Also interesting is the fact that oil is
found in huge quantities among geographic formations where assays of
prehistoric life are not sufficient to produce the existing reservoirs
of oil. Where then did it come from?

Another interesting fact is that every oil field throughout the world
has outgassing helium. Helium is so often present in oil fields that
helium detectors are used as oil-prospecting tools. Helium is an inert
gas known to be a fundamental product of the radiological decay or
uranium and thorium, identified in quantity at great depths below the
surface of the earth, 200 and more miles below. It is not found in
meaningful quantities in areas that are not producing methane, oil or
natural gas. It is not a member of the dozen or so common elements
associated with life. It is found throughout the solar system as a
thoroughly inorganic product.

Even more intriguing is evidence that several oil reservoirs around the
globe are refilling themselves, such as the Eugene Island reservoir
not from the sides, as would be expected from cocurrent organic
reservoirs, but from the bottom up.

Dr. Gold strongly believes that oil is a "renewable, primordial soup
continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and
tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface, it
is attached by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin
dating back to the dinosaurs."

Smaller oil companies and innovative teams are using this theory to
justify deep oil drilling in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, among other
locations, with some success. Dr. Kenney is on record predicting that
parts of Siberia contain a deep reservoir of oil equal to or exceeding
that already discovered in the Middle East.

Could this be true?

In August 2002, in the "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
(US)," Dr. Kenney published a paper, which had a partial title of "The
genesis of hydrocarbons and the origin of petroleum." Dr. Kenney and
three Russian coauthors conclude:

The Hydrogen-Carbon system does not spontaneously evolve hydrocarbons at
pressures less than 30 Kbar, even in the most favorable environment. The
H-C system evolves hydrocarbons under pressures found in the mantle of
the Earth and at temperatures consistent with that environment.

He was quoted as stating that "competent physicists, chemists, chemical
engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have known that
natural petroleum does not evolve from biological materials since the
last quarter of the 19th century."

Deeply entrenched in our culture is the belief that at some point in the
relatively near future we will see the last working pump on the last
functioning oil well screech and rattle, and that will be that. The end
of the Age of Oil. And unless we find another source of cheap energy,
the world will rapidly become a much darker and dangerous place.

If Dr. Gold and Dr. Kenney are correct, this "the end of the world as we
know it" scenario simply won't happen. Think about it ... while not
inexhaustible, deep Earth reserves of inorganic crude oil and
commercially feasible extraction would provide the world with
generations of low-cost fuel. Dr. Gold has been quoted saying that
current worldwide reserves of crude oil could be off by a factor of over
100.

A Hedberg Conference, sponsored by the American Association of Petroleum
Geologists, was scheduled to discuss and publicly debate this issue.
Papers were solicited from interested academics and professionals. The
conference was scheduled to begin June 9, 2003, but was canceled at the
last minute. A new date has yet to be set.

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Related links:

Gas Origin Theories To Be Studied

The Mystery Of Eugene Island 330

Odd Reservoir Off Louisiana Prods Oil Experts To Seek A Deeper Meaning

Fuel's Paradise

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Chris Bennett manages an environmental engineering division for a West
Coast technology firm. He and his wife of 26 years make their home on
the San Francisco Bay.

2004

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