Re: Fw: Pharaoh and his hardened heart

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Date: Tue May 18 2004 - 14:29:07 EDT

Hola, Denisio,
Escribiria en espanol pero no sale bien, siendo que no puedo deletrear
con los acentos y tildes que son necesarios. So it will be English.

Your comment on nonlinear descriptions is correct, but does not exhaust
the situation. If quanta are indeterministic, which is the dominant view,
the problem remains. However, there is an interpretation of general
relativity which holds that somewhen (the time element in space-time) has
the same permanent characteristic as somewhere. God could then look on
all space-time "points" from "without." This is obviously not imaginable,
though it is conceivable. It certainly is difficult to communicate
because of the restrictions of our total experience as they are reflected
in language.

Que le vaya bien,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:42:40 -0600 Innovatia <>
Dick Fischer wrote:

It is not simply whether God can know what choices we will make in any
given circumstances. He must virtually know the location and action of
every molecule, every atom, every particle from the Big Bang to the Big
Crunch! Is that knowable?

If we assume the future is knowable, and God knows it, then His personal
action in nature is unnecessary. If the future cannot be known, then
only God's personal involvement can bring about a desired result. And I
don't think Calvin had the answer to that.

Yes, the universe has a mathematically chaotic quality to it and this
would certainly require that God know his creation. Chaos theory
(nonlinear dynamics) shows that qualitatively different outcomes can ocur
from near-infinitessimal differences in initial conditions. That is,
outcomes are very sensitive to past conditions, but chaos theory is - and
this is the important point - deterministic. Consequently, even in a
world described by chaos theory, the given argument would still apply.


Dennis Feucht
Received on Tue May 18 15:03:43 2004

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