Re: Pharaoh and his hardened heart

From: Dick Fischer <>
Date: Mon May 17 2004 - 10:52:23 EDT


I only asked the questions. Simply knowing what choices we will make is woefully inadequate to know the future. Our lives constantly are shaped by mindless events. The Lakers did win the series. This will alter lives. Babies will be born and others will not due in small part to Derek Fisher's basketball shot. The entire future has been altered, and Derek won't know most of it because it will unfold exponentially and impact future generations.
  I see that you have adopted the basic exegetical and hermeneutic view which I have come to call the "Evangelical Revised Version." I encountered it first in a Bible institute. It runs: I can't imagine . . ., therefore it isn't so." I think of J. B. Phillips, the NT translator, who titled his book _Your God is too Small_. He is certainly beyond what we can imagine, necessarily so if He is ineffable.

  On Sat, 15 May 2004 10:02:09 -0400 "Dick Fischer" <> writes:
    Dennis wrote:

    This argument assumes free will and concludes that divine determinism is not incompatible with it. In a PSCF communication of a few years ago (I'll send a Word 97 copy to anyone upon request), I set out the dual argument, of arguing from God's determinism to free will. The result is essentially the same.

    The complication I have always been curious about is that the permutations of possible future events that can be caused by one small event approaches infinity. If you saw the recent Lakers-Spurs game, or a highlight of it, you saw Derek Fisher sink an almost impossible shot with 0.4 seconds to go in the game, thereby winning it. If the Lakers go on to win the series, the future will be different than had the ball clanged off the rim. In essence, all of life is like that.

    It is not simply whether God can know what choices we will make in any given circumstances. He must virtually know the location and action of every molecule, every atom, every particle from the Big Bang to the Big Crunch! Is that knowable?

    If we assume the future is knowable, and God knows it, then His personal action in nature is unnecessary. If the future cannot be known, then only God's personal involvement can bring about a desired result. And I don't think Calvin had the answer to that.

    Dick Fischer - Genesis Proclaimed Association
    Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
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