Re: Pharaoh and his hardened heart

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Sat May 15 2004 - 19:52:06 EDT

I see that you have adopted the basic exegetical and hermeneutic view
which I have come to call the "Evangelical Revised Version." I
encountered it first in a Bible institute. It runs: I can't imagine . .
., therefore it isn't so." I think of J. B. Phillips, the NT translator,
who titled his book _Your God is too Small_. He is certainly beyond what
we can imagine, necessarily so if He is ineffable.

On Sat, 15 May 2004 10:02:09 -0400 "Dick Fischer"
<> writes:
Dennis wrote:

This argument assumes free will and concludes that divine determinism is
not incompatible with it. In a PSCF communication of a few years ago
(I'll send a Word 97 copy to anyone upon request), I set out the dual
argument, of arguing from God's determinism to free will. The result is
essentially the same.

The complication I have always been curious about is that the
permutations of possible future events that can be caused by one small
event approaches infinity. If you saw the recent Lakers-Spurs game, or a
highlight of it, you saw Derek Fisher sink an almost impossible shot with
0.4 seconds to go in the game, thereby winning it. If the Lakers go on
to win the series, the future will be different than had the ball clanged
off the rim. In essence, all of life is like that.

It is not simply whether God can know what choices we will make in any
given circumstances. He must virtually know the location and action of
every molecule, every atom, every particle from the Big Bang to the Big
Crunch! Is that knowable?

If we assume the future is knowable, and God knows it, then His personal
action in nature is unnecessary. If the future cannot be known, then
only God's personal involvement can bring about a desired result. And I
don't think Calvin had the answer to that.

Dick Fischer - Genesis Proclaimed Association
Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
Received on Sat May 15 19:55:20 2004

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