Re: Coercion

From: Graham E. Morbey <>
Date: Thu Apr 22 2004 - 10:41:48 EDT

It seems to me that both Josh and Howard have an anchor. What the anchor
does for Josh, the anchor also does for Howard. The anchor allows for a
journey between birth and death. Some get a longer anchor chain and some
get a shorter one. But both share some limits and some restrictions
because of the chain. The anchor of course is God - Creator and
Redeemer. The question is, has The Sacred spoken, lisped, only from a
distance (transcendent) or also as a human being (immanent) The Sacred
with us - as Jesus of Nazareth? There is no logic that rules out,
somewhere along the journey between life and death, giving an
affirmative answer to the claims of Jesus as understood by a specific
historically developing community. And there is no logic that prevents
that affirmation from being wonderfully freeing rather than narrowly
stagnating. And yes, I did "heighten" Josh's metaphor.


Howard J. Van Till wrote:

>On 4/21/04 11:07 AM, "Josh Bembenek" <> wrote:
>>Lest we venture too far on the seas of theology without an anchor to
>>biblical authority, I'd like to weigh in my two cents with a quote from Paul
>>(certaintly a human, but certaintly not a fringe teaching of the collection
>>of humans in the bible):
>You aptly use the anchor metaphor here. But remember what an anchor does --
>it holds you in one place. If you never lift the anchor, you will stay in
>the same place forever. The cruise and shipping industries would come to a
>complete halt. Progress to a new place would be impossible. Being anchored
>in one port may be good as something that precedes a journey, but keeping
>the anchor on the same sandy bottom forever means stagnation. No journey. No
>exploration. No progress. If that were done in science, we would still be
>quoting Aristotle.
>Remember what I said earlier:
>>What the biblical text gives us is a sampling of how the ancient Hebrew and
>>early Christian communities responded to their authentic experience of the
>>Sacred. I feel no responsibility to ³say what they said² (repeat their words
>>of response, translated into our language and our time), Instead, I feel
>>called to ³do what they did² (experience Godıs sacred presence and respond in
>>my language and my time).
>So, in honor of the writers of the biblical text, my commitment is to
>"journey as they journeyed," and to speak freely of what I see on the
>journey of life in the ubiquitous presence of the Sacred.
>So, Josh, welcome to the opportunity for a wonderful journey. Put that brand
>new Ph.D into gear and take it for a test drive. Perhaps we could then have
>an actual exchange of ideas. I think that would be far more satisfying than
>erecting billboards plastered with Bible verses used to sanction a Christian
>Howard Van Till
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