Re: Re: Essay about errancy

From: Drsyme <>
Date: Thu Feb 05 2004 - 11:06:29 EST

I am jumping in a long thread I know, and this may have been covered already.  I have most of this thread at home on another computer so will review tonight if I have a chance.

As a preterist, and with the belief that the general resurrection of the dead ocurred in 70 AD.  (This is the first resurrection, etc.) I have studied this issue some.  I just want to quickly point at one thing here, and that the instance of Christ is unique.  His body was without sin.  So, even though our resurrection will be like his resurrection body in many ways, there are clearly some significant differences.  His body, the actual body that was in the tomb, was raised from the dead.  But only in his case, in his body that was sinless, is this the case.  The rest of us, if we are the elect, will after death receive an incorruptible, perfect, immortal body.  The physical body is the seed in Paul's analogy, it will decay, but out of the seed will come a spiritual body.

------- Original Message --------
From: "Robert Schneider"
To: "ASA" , "Dick Fischer"
Subject: Re: Essay about errancy
Date: 05/02/04

I appreciate the humor, Dick, but I'm with
Michael.  Paul wrestled with the meaning of it all (as I don't have to tell
you), but he provided some (mystical) insights have have helped me to understand
the biblical notion of resurrection better.  Seeing Christ's resurrection
as the "first fruits of them that sleep," he goes on to say that it is sown
a physical body but raised a spiritual body.  The disciples' experience was
that Christ's spiritual body could suddenly appear even when the door is
locked, and still bear the marks of his physical torment.  Whether our
resurrected and glorious bodies (whatever form they take) will
bear our limps and bruises we know not; here we walk by faith and not by
My physical body, the scientists tell me, is made
of stardust; and perhaps some of its atoms once belonged to a pelican.  And
for all I know its own dust may end up in the wood that
will "stop a bunghole" (and if the brew is a good one, I surely won't
mind).  Some day I'll likely be using someone else's cornea, and at my
death someone else may get some organ of mine (if they're not all worn out at
what I hope will be a ripe old age).  I hope to know them both in some
other dimension of time and space.  To paraphrase Polkinghorne, perhaps God
will keep me in the Divine Memory (we speak analogically, of course), and
reconstitute me in God's own way and time in whatever transformation God intends
for the creation, where I and others "may go from strength to
In the end my understanding of the "resurrection of
the body" is one I share with Paul and with that Greek Orthodox bishop who, when
asked to explain the Trinity, replied: "Ah!  Eet ees a grea-a-a-a-t

----- Original Message -----
Dick Fischer
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:59
Subject: Re: Essay about errancy
Michael wrote:
I will respond by saying that I
do not believe in a physical resurrectionbut rather a bodily one. In
that Jesus left behind an empty tomb as atransformed
body.Well, with nail punctures and a hole in His side which
he showed to Thomas.  H'mmm ...  Does this mean if we get eaten by
sharks we'll enter the kingdom of heaven looking like steak tartar?  And
what if we're organ donors?  Or get cremated?  Egad!Dick
Fischer  - Genesis Proclaimed Association Finding Harmony in
Bible, Science, and

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