Re: Kerkut (was: Re: A case for Christianity that does use ID orYEC arguments)

From: Gary Collins <>
Date: Thu Feb 05 2004 - 14:35:51 EST

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:10:47 -0000, Michael Roberts wrote:

>I bought Haywards book when it came out and liked it and hoped it would be
>read. It looks as though it has. Being a geologist I could work out why
>Flood Geology was nonsense of the worst kind, but many of the YEC are not
>clear to non-specialists. A chemist dos not always understand basic geology.

My point exactly. In fields that are not our own, we often have to take
the words of experts at face value, lacking either the time or the inclination,
or both, to examine them in depth. (Glenn seems to be an exception).
And it is not always obvious that someone with, e.g. 'professor' before
his name may nevertheless still be spouting nonsense.

>I have long felt that any Christian arguing for an old earth is a good
>thing, even if some of their arguments are a bit inadequate. In fact an old
>earth anti-YEC anti-evolutionist is going to do more damage to YEC than a TE
>like me who is an Anglican and well tinged (in their eyes) with woolly
>liberalism. However if they said I was liberal theologically they would be
>lying, though of course fine Christian YECs would never do that, as I am
>sure Glenn and Wally would agree with me.

From what I've read on this list, you're far from being a liberal. I can see
how "unschooled" people might paint you with that brush,though (and
they would probably do the same to me. Though again I don't consider
myself especially 'schooled.' I'm just prepared to read and think a bit
more widely - and a bit more deeply - than the average man in the pew.
And I'm certainly not the kind of person who would refuse to read about
something because I thought I would not agree with it. Well, I suppose it
might depend what it is...)

>Hence the sheer vitriol which the ever-loving, kind, compassionate,
>Christian exemplars at AIG pour on poor old Hugh Ross. Consider the nonsense
>and vitriol on his cartoon of Archbishop Ussher, which is funny and no worse
>than any other cartoon I have seen - whether Blair covered in whitewash
>after the Hutton report (UK judicial inquiry on the Iraq War BBC allegations
>etc) 19th cent cartoons of darwin or Wilberforce. They are all cruel and

I don't think I've seen that cartoon - or the vitriol.
>I think Ross's biggest crime is that he rejects evolution but accepts an old
>earth - sorry universe. Perhaps we should send him e-mails of support.

I think it is now difficult to reject evolution with integrity. I wonder if he
will reach the point where he sees this and admits that he has probably
been wrong on this. And yes, I think we should certainly support and value
him over AIG, etc.
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