Re: Pejudice? Cowardice? Re: A Peace Proposal

From: wallyshoes <>
Date: Sun Feb 01 2004 - 17:00:41 EST

George Murphy wrote:

> wallyshoes wrote:
> ...............
> > AND HEAR THIS WELL: Nobody on this list has any good scientific (non
> > philosophical) answer to those Christians who think that the earth was created
> > less than 10,000 years ago with the history intact. There is absolutely no way
> > to scientifically refute this (IMO) ---- but hostile criticism still spews
> > forth.
> Nobody has a good scientific answer to the claim that God created the world 15
> minutes ago with all memories &c. Nobody has a good scientific answer to the claim that
> I'm a brain in a vat & my body & all the rest of you are figments of my imagination.
> But nobody with any sense for reality takes such notions seriously. Much less should
> any Christian who believes that God created a real world that was "very good" entertain
> such notions.

George, your debatemanship is always good but the above argument is specious at best. The
proposed view happens to be one that some YEC Christians believe. It comes from 2 simple

1.) Current science works

2.) The Bible seems to indicate a young earth when read at "face value".

So if God authored both of these, then what is proposed is one logical conclusion. It is not
the only one, but at least a logical one. It has nothing to do with hypothetical brains in
a vat (etc.) and you clearly understand that, George.

> Your use of pejorative language ("spews forth") to describe people who criticize
> these ideas indicates that you've lost your perspective on this issue. I suggest that
> you step back and take a hard look at them. A person can accept the apparent age notion
> & still believe that there's a real world, but once you've taken that step there's
> nothing to stop a descent into complete solipsism.

I defend the term "spews forth" as what comes from those on this list who criticize YEC
without defining who they are criticizing.

Although I reject your above argument, I am glad that you are specific in noting who it is
that you are criticizing (me).

Now if others can follow suit for YEC (as Glenn sometimes does!), that would be nice.



Walt Hicks <>
In any consistent theory, there must
exist true but not provable statements.
(Godel's Theorem)
You can only find the truth with logic
If you have already found the truth
without it. (G.K. Chesterton)
Received on Sun Feb 1 17:01:25 2004

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