Re: Full disclosure (was Grand Canyon Tears America Apart )

From: Joel Moore <>
Date: Wed Jan 28 2004 - 14:49:19 EST

> On Tuesday, January 27, 2004, at 12:30 PM, Joel Moore wrote:
>>>On Monday, January 26, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Ted Davis wrote:
>>>My instinct, often voiced on this forum, that death before the fall is the
>>>fundamental *theological* force behind YEC, was confirmed once again. This
>>>was the most significant objection offered to the "old" earth positions I
>>>presented, and it came up immediately at just the appropriate points.
>>I agree that this is a huge issue. Another one is the issue of
>>randomness. It is frequently said that random variations in
>>genomes drive evolution. If the Christian misinterprets "random"
>>to mean "uncaused" then of course he must reject evolution because
>>_nothing_ is uncaused. The Christians who misinterpret "random"
>>in this way are not totally to blame -- some scientists, including
>>Richard Dawkins, encourage this misinterpretation. R. C. Sproul
>>wrote a little book called "Not a chance" a while ago that
>>debunked the idea that "chance" could be the cause of anything.
>>Too bad he didn't go on and outline the legitimate uses of random
>>processes in science.
>>Bill Hamilton Rochester, MI 248 652 4148
>Does anybody now what historical trends led to "randomness" being
>seen as one of the big problems with evolution? My understanding is
>that William Jennings Bryan and others of that period argued
>against evolution because they thought determinism was the problem.
>What led to that flip?

Interesting. Charles Hodge in his book "What is Darwinism" claimed
it was the explicit denial of teleology that made Darwinism

Bill Hamilton Rochester, MI 248 652 4148

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