From: Howard J. Van Till (
Date: Fri Sep 26 2003 - 11:38:22 EDT

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    >From: "Steve Petermann" <>

    > Dembski wrote:

    > "If evolutionary biologists can discover or construct detailed, testable,
    > indirect Darwinian pathways that account for the emergence of irreducibly
    > and minimally complex biological systems like the bacterial flagellum, then
    > more power to them--intelligent design will quickly pass into oblivion."

    That's an interesting statement, not only for its expression of willingness
    for ID to be shown superfluous, but for raising the following question:

    Dembski goes to great length in his books and papers to argue that the
    bacterial flagellum does indeed display the quality of "specified
    complexity" ("irreducible complexity" is a special case of "specified
    complexity"). He also asserts repeatedly that any object that possesses this
    quality could not possibly be actualized by the joint effect of all natural
    causes. Here, however, he suggests that it is not impossible that
    evolutionary biologists some day find a way to account for the formation of
    the flagellum by natural means. So, does the flagellum actually display
    specified complexity or not?

    Howard Van Till

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