From: John W Burgeson (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Sat Sep 20 2003 - 13:57:35 EDT
Well, I've just come from a presentation at a local Durango church on why
YEC is the only "right" position to take. I took fairly copious notes,
and when I've sorted them out, and transcribed them, I'll be posting
them, along with a copy to the two presenters, Joe Sebeny and Roger
Heyen, and the pastor of the church, Mike Williams, Ph.D..
I have asked these gentlemen to argue their case on this LISTSERV; so far
I think they have not shown up (I am about 50 messages behind). This
post, and subsequent ones, may incent them otherwise.
Joe had emailed me privately that he personally thought a person such as
myself, distinctly scornful of YECism, might still be a Christian. I had
asked him to make that point, as appropriate, in his talk. In that talk,
he specifically said that non-YEC people were calling Jesus a liar. That
all other interpretations than YEC "do great harm to the cause of
Christ." That so-called "Christian" scientists doing radiometric dating
deliberately falsify their findings. That TEs do not worship "the God of
the Bible." At each of these places I listened carefully to see if he
would give the slightest caveat; he did not.
To his credit, he did say, in an unrelated discussion of evidences, that
TEs and PCs "might" be Christians, "although in so doing they cannot be
consistent with either science or scripture." But this came 10 minutes or
so after he had said the things in the paragraph above.
The book table, which was impressive, had copies of a children's book on
"Bombey," even though that argument was demolished 20 years ago. The
propaganda machine was rolling.
There was some new stuff, apparently. But I'll wait to tomorrow to give a
Joe, Roger, and Mike. This post is to an Internet LISTSERV. It will be
"public" for some years, and will be accessed within a few days by
perhaps 200 people, almost all of whom are both Christians and trained in
the sciences. Most of these guys are a lot more conservative than I am,
BTW. There are even two or three brave YECers among them, one of whom
knows more about coal than Stephen J. Gold knew about beetles. You are
welcome to join in the discussion, and to correct any place I have
unfairly reported your remarks. Just hit the reply key. Or direct your
mail to ASA@calvin.edu. Better still, join the discussions directly; info
on how to do this is on the ASA web site at www.asa3.org.
This much more I will say, Joe. If I really believed the Bible taught
what you think it teaches, I could not in any way take it seriously.
Whether I would not then be a Christian, I don't know. Maybe. Might as
well believe in Mother Goose.
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