Re: YEC Invasion

From: Walter Hicks (
Date: Fri Sep 19 2003 - 15:58:23 EDT

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    Burgy mentioned that Joe Sebeny will be speaking at his church (or a nearby
    one). Joe is well educated engineer who happens to believe in YEC. I knew him
    some years back and he is a solid Christian who does not belittle those who
    disagree with him. He doses, however, state that he believes the alternate view
    is inconsistent. He is one person that I think could be considered as "safe" --
    but perhaps not objective.

    If he has not changed, he might be an alternate possibility -- especially when
    Burgy gets some feedback.

    Ted Davis wrote:

    > In connection with a course I teach here called "Issues in Science and
    > Religion," we might have a creationist speaker on campus. (The parents of
    > one of my students have offered to pay the costs associated with this, it's
    > a very nice offer I'm inclined to accept. I believe that students usually
    > benefit when they see widely diverse views on the same issues.)
    > As for which people, that's not clear yet. The suggestion has been made
    > (by the patron in this case) that it might be Russell Humphreys or John
    > Baumgardner, both physicists currently or formerly associated with Sandia
    > Labs in New Mexico. (The patron lives in New Mexico and knows these men.)
    > I know about both, mainly from web sources, and I've heard of both before.
    > Here's my question for the list:
    > Has anyone out there actually heard either of these men speak? If so, what
    > is your overall impression/response? Do they present the case for YEC
    > fairly (in your judgement), or do they come off as "snake-oil" salesmen as
    > some creationist speakers do? How open are they to criticism of their
    > views? How honest about the views they defend and those of their
    > opponents?
    > We aren't planning this as a debate, simply a presentation with lots of
    > Q&A, including Q&A from the course faculty (there are three of us). Before
    > we set something up, we want to know more fully what we're getting into with
    > specific speakers.
    > thanks,
    > ted

    Walt Hicks <>

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