Date: Thu Sep 11 2003 - 13:32:29 EDT
These are from my Atheist buddies site. Feel free to comment....
~ PREPARE TO THINK ~
Proverbs 14:15 "The Simple Believeth Every Word... but the Prudent Man
Looketh Well To His Going."
ARGUMENT FROM NON-BELIEF
1.) If the Christian God exists, he wants ALL humans to know he exists.
2.) If the Christian God exists, he knows what evidences are sufficient
for ALL to know that he exists.
3.) Not ALL people believe in God.
4.) God's evidences, thus far, are insufficient for ALL to believe.
5.) God either wants atheists to exist or there is no God. (from 2,3 and
(If God wants atheists to exist... why all the threats of Hell and
damnation in Christian theology?)
OMNISCIENCE-HUMAN EXPERIENCE INCOMPATIBILITY ARGUMENT
1.) Fear is a feeling of agitation and anxiety caused by the presence or
imminence of danger. (The American Heritage® Dictionary: 2000)
2.) If God exists, God cannot feel agitated, anxious or feel endangered.
3.) If God cannot know fear, he is not all-knowing.
(Some would claim that it is against God's nature to be afraid. Exactly,
then he cannot be omniscient. There are at least some things for which he
is completely ignorant of. Stating that it's against his nature is a
cop-out and a concession simultaneously.)
ON GOD'S JUSTICE AND MERCY
1.) If God is "all just" then he always dispenses justice with the exact
amount of severity deserved by the crime.
2.) If God is "all merciful" then he always dispenses justice with less
severity than is deserved by the crime.
3.) You cannot dispense justice with less severity and exact severity at
the same time. - Dan Barker
ON GOD BEING ATEMPORAL
1.) God, an atemporal being, created the Universe.
2.) Creation is a temporal processes because X cannot cause Y to come
into being unless X existed temporally prior to Y.
3.) If God existed prior to the creation of the Universe he is a temporal
4.) Since God is atemporal, God cannot be the creator the Universe.
(This is explained and discussed more HERE.)
ON GOD`S JEALOUSY
1.) "God is love." 1 John 4:8.
2.) "Love is not jealous." 1 Cor 13:4
3.) "I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God." Exodus 20:5.
4.) The Christian god cannot logically exist.
(Basically love is NOT jealous, yet god is jealous, then God can`t be
love. But if god IS love he cannot be jealous. Be he is. Yahweh cannot
possibly exist if he has both the attributes of love and jealousy.)
1.) God has an unchangeable blueprint/plan of the Universe.
2.) Whatever begins to exist in the Universe is part of God`s unchanging
3.) Human thoughts and actions begin to exist in the Universe.
4.) All human thoughts and actions are planned by God.
5.) Man has no Free-will.
1.) A prerequisite to believe in a Faith is faith.
2.) Having faith is all that is required to accept a Faith (belief) as
3.) All Faiths are true.
(Of course all Faiths aren`t true, but this is the only logical
conclusion that can be drawn from a person that states that, "Through
faith one can know God.)
FREEWILL ARGUMENT FOR THE NONEXISTENCE OF GOD
1.) The Christian God is a personal being and is omniscient.
2.) Personal beings have free will.(according to most Christians)
3.) To have freewill, a personal being must be able to make a choice.
4.) A being who knows everything can have no "state of uncertainty". It
knows its choices in advance.
5.) God has no potential to avoid its choices, and therefore has no free
6.) Since a being that lacks free will is not a personal being, a
personal being who knows everything cannot exist.
7.) Therefore, the Christian God does not exist. - a syllogistic view of
Dan Barker's F.A.N.G
1.) Humans can’t change God’s mind for he has a divine plan and is
2.) Prayer doesn’t change things.
(Prayer may make you feel better emotionally, but it doesn`t change God`s
ON LOVE & HELL
1.) God's love is superlative.
2.) God's love of man exceeds man's love of self.
3.) Man's love of self prohibits torture.
4.) Considering God's greater love for us, Hell (eternal torture) is
illogical. - Hank
ON GOD`S LIMITATIONS
1.) God knows infallibly what will occur in the Universe before it
2.) God can’t change the future because he knows everything absolutely.
3.) God has no Free-will.
1.) God is all-knowing.
2.) Before I was born God knew I wouldn’t believe in him.
3.) I was born to go to Hell.
(Sure you may say I have a choice, but I think I`ve proven already that I
really don`t. I`m simply fulfilling the will of God by being an atheist
aren`t I? If I`m not, I shouldn`t exist: For God would have known that
before I was created that I wouldn`t believe in him.)
ON THE GARDEN OF EDEN
1.) God knows everything “before” it happens.
2.) God placed the tree of knowledge in the Garden knowing that man would
eat from it.
3.) God wanted sin to enter the world.
(If God didn`t want sin to enter the world, why create Adam and Eve at
all? He knew what would happen. Why place the forbidden trees in the
Garden in the first place?)
ON THE BODY OF CHRIST
1.) God’s flesh was known as Jesus.
2.) Flesh cannot enter into Heaven.
3.) Jesus was Flesh.
4.) Jesus no longer exists.
(Many at this point will state that the spirit lives on so therefore
Jesus lives. This really depends on what you believe about Jesus. Is
Jesus the son of God or God in flesh? If Jesus is merely the son there is
no problem. However, if Jesus “is” God himself, we do. You see, Jesus is
called Jesus because of the attribute of Flesh. If Jesus = God (who is
spirit) then the entity known as Jesus ceases to exist. The flesh/body of
Jesus, no longer exists and the spirit of God is still the unchanging
spirit of God. No Jesus at that point. The Flesh, called Jesus, is dead.)
EVIL IS GOOD?
1.) God is good all of the time.
2.) Everything that God creates is good. Amen?
3.) God created evil according to Isaiah 45:7. (look it up)
4.) Evil is good.
ARGUMENT FROM MORAL IGNORANCE
1.) If God exists, it is probably the case that all sentient beings whose
behavior God considers morally significant have extremely good knowledge
of correct moral judgments.
2.) If God exists, he considers humans' behavior morally significant.
3.) Humans are sentient beings.
4.) If God exists, it is probably the case that humans have extremely
good knowledge of correct moral judgments.
5.) Humans do not have extremely good knowledge of correct moral
6.) Probably, God does not exist.- Cole Mitchell: Adapted from Niclas
Berggren's "On the Nature of Morality".
ON UNIVERSAL THEISM
1.) All gods are the same god.
2.) The various gods practiced by differing faiths all have different or
even contradictory views of what they want for mankind.
3.) All gods are not the same God.
ARGUMENT FROM MORAL PARITY
1.) If God exists, rational theists are probably noticeably morally
superior to rational atheists, on average.
2.) Rational theists are not noticeably morally superior to rational
atheists, on average.
3.) Probably, God does not exist. - Paul Draper
1.) Spirits are not physical entities.
2.) Brains are physical entities.
3.) Past experiences are stored in our physical brains, we call that,
4.) Injury can damage portions of the physical brain that store memory
and can alter or erase memories completely.
5.) If human spirits exist... after death, spirits can have no memory.
[Note: Some will say the spirit stores physical memories as well, but if
true, the spirit would have to be physical at least to a degree. How
could a non-physical spirit store, physical memories?]
ON GOD'S IMMUTABILITY - Unchangingness
1.) If God exists, then he is immutable.
2.) If God exists, then he is the creator of the universe.
3.) An immutable being cannot at one time have an intention and then at a
later time not have that intention.
4.) For any being to create anything, prior to the creation he must have
had the intention to create it, but at a later time, after the creation,
no longer have the intention to create it.
5.) Thus, it is impossible for an immutable being to have created
anything (from 3 and 4).
6.) Therefore, it is impossible for God to exist (from 1, 2, and 5) -
Theodore M. Drange
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