Re: ICR/AIG claims

From: Freeman, Louise Margaret (
Date: Mon Sep 08 2003 - 14:55:47 EDT

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    The AiG website has an essay by Gish that says "Yes, one can be a Christian
    and an evolutionist, but such a position is both scientifically and
    biblically untenable. The Lord Jesus took a literal view of Genesis. The
    theory of evolution is dishonouring to God as Creator, and its teaching
    leads to a disastrous secularizing of society."

    Complete essay is here:

    Also, from Ken Ham at ICR. "Theistic evolution is a compromise position
    that destroys the foundations of the Gospel message and ultimately leads to
    the destruction of the Christian worldview. It is nothing more than the
    pagan theory of evolution with God added."

    This essay goes on to specifically speak against OEC views in the next

    For the complete statement, in context, see:

    So, statement (1) may be technically true, it is misleading. Statement (2)
    seems to be a half-truth at best.

    I am reminded of the old Saturday Night Live "Tounces, the Driving Cat"
    sketch... "Oh yeah, he can *drive,* just not very *well*..." as car, feline
    and passengers plunge over the cliff to certain death.

    The clear message is: "Oh yes, non-YEC's can be Christian. They are just
    those types of Christians who disagree with Jesus, dishonor God, accept
    scientifically untenable pagan theories, destroy the fondations of the
    Gospel, threaten the Christian worldview and lead society to descrution."

    Louise M. Freeman, PhD
    Psychology Dept
    Mary Baldwin College
    Staunton, VA 24401
    FAX 540-887-7121

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Burgy <>
    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:51:14 GMT
    Subject: ICR/AIG claims

    > (1) Neither ICR, nor AIG, nor Morris nor Ken Ham, has ever asserted
    > that non-YECers are not Christians.
    > (2) Both ICR and AIG have explicitly said, in print, that they reject
    > such a claim.
    > I am looking for literature citations which might refute (1) or support
    > (2).
    > Joe has also challenged me to submit a list of questions to him in
    > advance of the seminar. Lots come to mind. What questions (make them
    > short) would list members suggest?
    > Burgy (John Burgeson)

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