RE: Time

From: Debbie Mann (
Date: Sat Sep 06 2003 - 22:54:18 EDT

  • Next message: Glenn Morton: "RE: Time"

    Still don't buy it.

    1. We do have freedom of choice. There are some things that humans and other
    creatures will choose - some not. This limits the possibilities. Inherently
    this is against my understanding of the MWH thesis.

    2. There is nothing to keep there from being numerous identical universes -
    including infinitely many ones void of life.

    3. From what I understand of the probability of life in the universe - you
    need to be up to the number you mention to have a universe with life.
    But,cut infinity and it is still infinity.

    4. And finally, the reason I have stayed out of the multi-universe debate
    (except to refer to it in the discussion of time, which I do find
    fascinating) is that I believe God created and determines the framework. In
    other words, the dice are loaded. I am not a creationist, I believe the
    world and universe are old - but not as old as God. I believe there is
    evolution - but not that it is the beginning and end of life. Jesus is the
    beginning and end of life. God breathed the first life and God breathed the
    spirit in us which makes us after his own image. God alone will determine
    the end, and, while I totally avoid the 'second coming' churches, I do
    believe that the end of life according to this set of rules will occur
    before our sun burns itself out.

    I like knowing that the dice are loaded in my favor. I'd hate for it to be

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Glenn Morton []
    Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 12:30 PM
    To: Debbie Mann; Asa
    Subject: RE: Time

    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: []On
    >Behalf Of Debbie Mann
    >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:29 PM

    >If my parents hadn't had sex the night I was conceived - then they would
    >have had a different child. So how do I exist in multiple universes when a
    >variation so small effects my very existence?
    >I don't buy it.

    Hi Debbie, The reason you don't buy the possibility is that your scale is
    too small. The reason you could exist in multiple univeses is that all
    possible arrangments of matter have been carried out and now to build
    another universe, you must begin repeating the arrangements of matter in
    other universes. A simple case is the 3 sequences:


    These are all the possible arrangements of these letters. If you now try to
    make another 3 sequence, you simply must repeat the pattern. In the case of
    universes, the number of possibilities are much higher, say 10^118 different
    ways to arrange the matter. After that many universes, one must start
    repeating. Remember from my previous note to Blake, Inflation allows an
    almost infinitude of universes to be created, thus repetition must occur.

    So with your case of your parent's night of fun, with enoguh universes,
    there was an identical couple doing the same thing with an identical sperm
    and egg being joined, elsewhere, whatever elsewhere means.

    This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Sat Sep 06 2003 - 22:56:13 EDT