From: Dr. Blake Nelson (email@example.com)
Date: Fri Sep 05 2003 - 14:43:11 EDT
Well, when you introduce the term willy-nilly, you
have introduced an assumption about the process that
it is simply random, or maximally determininistic, and
therefore meaningless. That is the same mistake as
saying that evolution is contrary to a christian
conception of God because it is willy nilly.
As I have said before, I see nothing about the MWH
that is any different from any numerous issues that
have historically been inherent in examing the mystery
of salvation and lots of issues that inhere around it
such as freewill, etc. My point was to underscore
that there is no reason to presume that salvation
means nothing if some version of me does not know God
-- which is entirely different than being *damned*.
Does anything about MWH say anything about the
eschatology of any person vis-a-vis damnation and
salvation? I think the answer is clearly no.
What basis does MWH have for saying that a God who
fits the christian understanding damns those versions
of people who are not christian versus saving those
versions of people who are? Many (most) christian
denominations don't even make that claim about the
people on this planet in this universe -- the
underlying claim of christianity vis-a-vis salvation
that I think all christians agree upon is that
salvation occurs through the second person of the
trinity, however that may take place. I do not see
how MWH has any effect on this or any other issue of
salvation, unless the person making that assertion
claims to know how God doles out salvation and
damnation. I would pause seriously before I claimed
to know how God comprehensively doles out salvation
Does anyone see the point I am trying to make?
Glenn's assertions about the consequences of MWH are
metaphysical and theological and MWH does not warrant
either of those leaps to metaphysical and theological
assertions, including, inter alia, the non-sequitir
conclusion that that the atheist Glenn is damned. I
don't *know* that any particular atheist in my home
town will be damned, much less one postulating
infinite universes with infinite versions of me
atheistic, hindu, etc.
--- "D. F. Siemens, Jr." <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:29:04 -0700 (PDT) "Dr. Blake
> <email@example.com> writes:
> > Anyway, to repeat the point: since there are an
> > infinite number of everyone who is saved,
> > can as easily be characterized as triumphing under
> > MWH. No religion killer there.
> But an infinite number are willy-nilly damned. Does
> this help any faith?
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