RE: mathematical concepts=="irrational numbers," processtheology, Plato

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Date: Wed Sep 03 2003 - 16:54:30 EDT

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    The mathematician Kronecker said something to the effect that "God
    created the integers and man the continuum."


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    Subject: RE: mathematical concepts=="irrational numbers,"
    processtheology, Plato

    "Irrational" numbers, or "surds" (yes, that's a noun related to the
    adjective "absurd," look it up for an interesting moment), were thus
    b/c they did not meet the Greek standard of "rational" mathematics--ie,
    could not be written as the quotients of whole numbers. They were not
    thereby related to the harmonic ratios in music (recall that music was
    a branch of mathematics). And, of course, by Euclid's time it was
    to prove by deduction (using a reductio ad absurdum) that the SQRT(2) is
    "irrational" by this definition.

    Plato realized that, as a consequence of his geometrical atomism (which
    45-45-90 triangles to make up the square sides of the cubical atoms of
    and used 30-60-90 triangles to make up the triangular sides of the
    tetrahedral, icosahedral, and octagonal atoms of the other three
    elements), some degree of "irrationality" was built into nature. He
    interpreted that thusly: the creative power of the divine craftsman (the
    "Demiurgos," a word also found in the book of Hebrews) was limited by
    "recalcitrance" of the matter he had not created. Thus, perfect form
    imposed only imperfectly on matter. Thus, we cannot have a "science"
    genuine demonstrable knowledge) of nature, only a "likely story" or
     We could have a "science" only of the perfect forms themselves.

    Or something like that. His picture of the Demiurgos is, IMO, a
    of the modern process God, who can't exert absolute power of nature
    either--that is, IMO the process God can't determine the nature of
    Rather the nature of nature is a given, the God must simply do his best
    what he's got. This is why I think of process theology as Platonistic,
    though one can also see it as deeply Aristotelian also (an eternal
    eternally in the process of becoming).

    I hope this isn't all too confusing, and that I haven't misstated
    in the midst of this.


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