RE: Prosperity

From: Jan de Koning (
Date: Mon Jun 30 2003 - 20:42:07 EDT

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    I believe, that the Lord warns severely against riches if they are not
    coupled with concern for the poor. I pointed to Ezejiel 16:49
    before. Concern for the poor is more important than riches.

    Jan de K
    At 09:29 AM 30/06/2003 -0700, Dr. Blake Nelson wrote:
    >I'm sorry, but I beg to differ immensely with the
    >sentiment apparently conveyed in the first paragraph.
    >I don't have the time to do adequate justice to what I
    >am trying to convey, but to say that living a life of
    >poverty and defeat is not going to attract anyone to
    >Jesus implies a lot that you don't perhaps intend.
    >For example, it implies that the thing that attracts
    >one to being christian is success in some popular
    >sense (wealth, health, fame, etc.). Perhaps, what
    >attracts someone to christianity is joy and love even
    >in suffering, peace in turmoil, etc. Heck, it doesn't
    >take faith in anything to be superficially happy with
    >Off the top of my head, a couple verses of Phillipians
    >come to mind:
    >But whatever things were gain to me, those things I
    >have counted as loss for the sake of Christ.
    >8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in
    >view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus
    >my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all
    >things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain
    >9 and may be found in Him, not having a
    >righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that
    >which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness
    >which comes from God on the basis of faith,
    >10 that I may know Him and the power of His
    >resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings,
    >being conformed to His death;
    >11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection
    >from the dead.
    >12 Not that I have already obtained it or have
    >already become perfect, but I press on so that I may
    >lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by
    >Christ Jesus.
    >Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!
    >5 Let your gentle spirit be known to all men. The
    >Lord is near.
    >6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by
    >prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your
    >requests be made known to God.
    >7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all
    >comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds
    >in Christ Jesus.
    >Perhaps, these outworkings of the spirit and this kind
    >of attitude in poverty and "defeat" are just what
    >makes someone wonder what is different about someone
    >who is christian?
    >--- Debbie Mann <> wrote:
    > > That was NEVER my claim. I'll try again:
    > >
    > > Our lives attract, repel or escape notice.
    > > When Christians have the kind of life that other
    > > people want, such as Sondra
    > > apparently has, wealth not withstanding, then
    > > non-Christians investigate.
    > > Living a life of poverty and defeat is not going to
    > > attract anyone to Jesus.
    > > Living a life of abundance will. Abundance is
    > > relative and can mean a lot of
    > > different things. Abundance of joy is probably the
    > > greatest attraction.
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