Re: Prosperity

From: George Murphy (
Date: Mon Jun 30 2003 - 12:46:35 EDT

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    Dr. Blake Nelson wrote:
    > I'm sorry, but I beg to differ immensely with the
    > sentiment apparently conveyed in the first paragraph.
    > I don't have the time to do adequate justice to what I
    > am trying to convey, but to say that living a life of
    > poverty and defeat is not going to attract anyone to
    > Jesus implies a lot that you don't perhaps intend.
    > For example, it implies that the thing that attracts
    > one to being christian is success in some popular
    > sense (wealth, health, fame, etc.). Perhaps, what
    > attracts someone to christianity is joy and love even
    > in suffering, peace in turmoil, etc. Heck, it doesn't
    > take faith in anything to be superficially happy with
    > prosperity.
    > Off the top of my head, a couple verses of Phillipians
    > come to mind:
    > But whatever things were gain to me, those things I
    > have counted as loss for the sake of Christ.
    > 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in
    > view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus
    > my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all
    > things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain
    > Christ,
    > 9 and may be found in Him, not having a
    > righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that
    > which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness
    > which comes from God on the basis of faith,
    > 10 that I may know Him and the power of His
    > resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings,
    > being conformed to His death;
    > 11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection
    > from the dead.
    > 12 Not that I have already obtained it or have
    > already become perfect, but I press on so that I may
    > lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by
    > Christ Jesus.

            Yes! & what ultimately attracts people to Christ is the cross (Jn.12:32), which
    is hardly a good symbol of "prosperity."

    > Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!
    > 5 Let your gentle spirit be known to all men. The
    > Lord is near.
    > 6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by
    > prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your
    > requests be made known to God.
    > 7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all
    > comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds
    > in Christ Jesus.
    > -----
    > Perhaps, these outworkings of the spirit and this kind
    > of attitude in poverty and "defeat" are just what
    > makes someone wonder what is different about someone
    > who is christian?
    > --- Debbie Mann <> wrote:
    > > That was NEVER my claim. I'll try again:
    > >
    > > Our lives attract, repel or escape notice.
    > > When Christians have the kind of life that other
    > > people want, such as Sondra
    > > apparently has, wealth not withstanding, then
    > > non-Christians investigate.
    > > Living a life of poverty and defeat is not going to
    > > attract anyone to Jesus.
    > > Living a life of abundance will. Abundance is
    > > relative and can mean a lot of
    > > different things. Abundance of joy is probably the
    > > greatest attraction.
    > (SNIP)
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    George L. Murphy

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