From: Josh Bembenek (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Fri Jun 27 2003 - 10:30:50 EDT
See also Hebrews 12 (a personal favorite):
1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let
us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles,
and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. 2Let us fix
our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy
set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the
right hand of the throne of God. 3Consider him who endured such opposition
from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
4In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of
shedding your blood. 5And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that
addresses you as sons:
"My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6because the Lord disciplines those he loves,
and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."
7Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is
not disciplined by his father? 8If you are not disciplined (and everyone
undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons.
9Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected
them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and
live! 10Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best;
but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. 11No
discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it
produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been
trained by it.
12Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13"Make level paths
for your feet," so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.
>From: "Debbie Mann" <email@example.com>
>To: "Howard J. Van Till" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Asa" <email@example.com>
>Subject: RE: Concordist sequence--why be a concordist? (off list)
>Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:57:34 -0500
>3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that
>TRIBULATION worketh patience;
>4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
>5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in
>hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
>I just read that the gifts of God are like the ingredients of a cake - oil,
>salt and flour don't taste very good separately - but they do when put in
>the fire (definitely a biblical reference) and baked into a cake.
>It also says seek ye FIRST the kingdom of God and all these things shall be
>added unto you - the things being the wealth and health.
>I listen to Joyce Meyer, also. My mother loves Kenneth Copeland. I like
>Kenneth Hagin. If we talk to God about EVERYTHING - everything is going to
>shine for it. We don't. It's not a case of the bad things being punishment.
>It's a case of soliciting, and receiving God's divine intervention. Kenneth
>Hagin's ministry is based on that. He's got at least the third generation
>merrily working along in a healing ministry. Prosperity and miracles
>These things are real. I see and have seen and have experienced this kind
>victory. But, you have to be on the God track ev er ee hour of ev er ee
>Joyce Meyer's minstry is largely based on talking about how she WASN'T
>experiencing victory and why - and how it's different now.
>Victory is a free gift - but the instruction manual takes a PhD and a
>fork-lift. Fortunately God gives partial credit.
>From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On
>Behalf Of Howard J. Van Till
>Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:46 PM
>Subject: Re: Concordist sequence--why be a concordist? (off list)
> >From: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > The Bible clearly states,
> > however, that health, wealth, and prosperity are gifts from God.
>So, if a person finds herself in ill-health and/or financial despair, must
>she conclude that God, in His infinite wisdom and boundless love, has
>not to give her the gifts of health, wealth, and prosperity?
> > Of course, if you don't believe in the errancy of the Bible, these don't
> > really matter.
>Oh, but I do believe in the errancy of the Bible; you can bet your last
>God-given dollar on that!
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