Re: The forgotten verses

From: Walter Hicks (
Date: Mon Jun 16 2003 - 14:48:09 EDT

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    Robert Schneider wrote:

    > The declaration of papal infallibility, that is, that when speaking from the
    > Chair of Peter on matters of faith and morals, the Pontiff, inspired by the
    > Holy Spirit, speaks without error, was not declared by any pope, but rather
    > by the First Vatican Council in 1870.

    Thanks for that correction. I was not paying close attention to the heading on
    the article.

    > I might add, though, that the Pope at
    > the time, Pius IX, lobbied heavily for this declaration among the bishops in
    > council, going, it is said, to rather great lengths with his largess to
    > insure a majority vote. Since that time only two papal declarations falling
    > under the infallibility rule have been issued, both regarding the Virgin
    > Mary, and both enshrining as dogma matters of popular belief. They are
    > belief in the Immaculate Conception and in the Assumption of the Virgin (the
    > latter in 1950). Recent attempts by the conservative Cardinal Ratzinger,
    > head of the Congregation for the Faith, to characterize certain
    > pronouncements of Pope John Paul II, as falling within the domain of
    > infallibilty, e.g., the prohibition against the ordination of women to the
    > priesthood, have been ignored or dismissed by a large body of Catholic
    > opinion, including theological, and are not likely to stand the test of
    > time.

    I had thought that there also were 2 "infallible" declarations regarding the
    necessity of being subject to the Roman Pontiff as a necessity for salivation.
    (Boniface VII -- Unam Sanctam and Pius IV--- Qui pluribus). Is this an error?

    Walt Hicks <>

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