From: Michael Roberts (email@example.com)
Date: Tue Jun 10 2003 - 08:11:02 EDT
No, terrible history! Basically it is warfare model plus exagerration and
confusion over the way dinosaurs were idscovered.
Cadbury is desperate to prove there was real conflict so often selects
extreme views like those of Fairholm and Bugg to pitch as a foil agianst
Buckland and simply fails to mention the many who supported and agreed with
Considewr the nonsense on p284-5 where Cadbury writes that Buckland had
striven to bridge the ever widening gulf between religion and geology. She
then tries to show that this caused Buckland's mental illness but provides
no evidence. No one else has found any.
p191 ff is as bad and then she only mentions the Buggs of this world who
are like the Morrises of our world except they went extinct more quickly.
p191 reproduces the wonderful cartooon by Tom Sopwith (whoose great-great
grandson lived near where I was before) which is simply a case of Sopwith
acting the buffoon , or rather imitating Buckland. Sopwith's diary of the
Welsh trip of Oct 1841 is booth descriptive and hilarious.
On the review, I am not sure what you are saying. In the 1820s most involved
in geololgy were old earth and accepted Extinction though most rejected
evolution. In England this was the era of Sedgwick, Henslow, Conybeare as
well as Buckland. A few still rejected old earth like George Young and
amateurs like Bugg Penn etc had a go but were outgunned. Sadly that is not
the case today
All in all a book full of coprolite and it seems that Cadbury like Buckland
has produced specimens of her own, except Buckland's was the real thing!
(Buckland once gave a lecture and showed various examples of Coprolite and
then held up a container and said it was his own!)
This book highlishts the double problem we face . The first is YEC and the
second is how many writers pop scientists like Dawkins and Steve Jones and
pop science historians ie Winchester and Cadbury misrepresent Christianity
and science past and present to further their own agendas.
If you ever read anything which says that the church AS A WHOLE a whole
rejected geological time in the period 1800-1850 then chuck it in the bin.
There was a noisy minority of Christians who objected to geollogy and the
only information on them is at present Mortenson's inaccurate and biassed
stuff on the AIG site.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bivalve" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:39 PM
Subject: Terrible history or just terrible lizards?
> Skimming a bit of Terrible Lizards, by Deborah Cadbury, suggests that the
history is not entirely based on a warfare model. On the other hand, the
review I located online seemed to minimise the existing ideas on an
old-earth, extinction, and evolution in 1820 or so. This could reflect
incompetent reviewing. However, the abundance of rather flawed popular
books on the subject makes me wonder whether this one is accurate. Does
anyone have further information?
> It traces the history of early dinosaur hunters like Mantell and Owens.
> Dr. David Campbell
> Old Seashells
> University of Alabama
> Biodiversity & Systematics
> Dept. Biological Sciences
> Box 870345
> Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0345 USA
> That is Uncle Joe, taken in the masonic regalia of a Grand Exalted
Periwinkle of the Mystic Order of Whelks-P.G. Wodehouse, Romance at
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