# Re: The forgotten verses

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. (dfsiemensjr@juno.com)
Date: Tue Jun 03 2003 - 23:05:40 EDT

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I know, Vernon, you are excellent at conforming text to viewpoint. And
persistent. So?
Dave

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 00:13:39 +0100 "Vernon Jenkins"
<vernon.jenkins@virgin.net> writes:
> Dave,
>
> I'm currently digesting your response to my recent posting. For now,
> let me
> just challenge your closing words, "I simply go by the text." -
> referring to
> your belief that the Hebrews of Solomon's day believed pi to be 3 -
> a
> deduction based upon the data provided by II Chronicles 4:2. But you
> surely
> realise there is ambiguity here. All real cylinders have an inner
> diameter
> (d, say) and an outer diameter (D, say); an inner circumference (c,
> say) and
> an outer circumference (C, say). Does "...ten cubits from brim to
> brim..."
> represent d or D? Does "...a line of thirty cubits did compass it
> round
> about." represent c or C?
>
> You must therefore agree that the data here provided is insufficient
> to
> verse 5 of
> the same chapter to bring the solution a little closer. Here we are
> told
> "And the thickness of it (the cylinder wall) was an handbreadth..."
> (t,
> say). A 'handbreadth' is defined as a measure of four fingers, equal
> to
> about four inches, and a 'cubit' as the distance from elbow to to
> the tip of
> the longest finger of a man - about 18 inches.
>
> Clearly, pi may be determined as either of the ratios c/d or C/D,
> but not as
> c/D or C/d. Thus, only by reading the 30 cubits as the _inner_
> circumference
> (c), and the 10 cubits as the outer diameter (D) do we make sense of
> the
> data, thus:
>
> d = D - 2xt = 10x18 - 2x4 = 180 - 8 = 172 inches
> c = 30x18 = 540 inches
> pi = 540/172 = 3.14 (which we recognise as a commonly used
> approximation
> for pi).
>
> There can be little doubt that the intrinsic ambiguities associated
> with
> IIChr.2:4 are here satisfactorily resolved, and why anyone should,
> (a) have
> believed the Hebrews incapable of detecting a 4.5% error in the
> value of pi
> (by assuming it to be 3 rather than its true value), and (b) have
> assumed
> that Egyptian knowledge of this constant would have stopped short of
> its
> border with Israel, is really beyond understanding - unless, of
> course, the
> principal motive was the undermining of the Judaeo-Christian
> Scriptures.
>
> Vernon
> http://www.otherbiblecode.com
>
>

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