From: Michael Roberts (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Sat May 31 2003 - 05:46:18 EDT
> This verbal exchange began as a result of your treating us to some typical
> hyperbole, viz "What I am saying is that YEC and any fundamentalist
> creates a severe problem to both the head and the heart of any Christian
> striving to follow Christ." (23.05) -
> having earlier said, "If I were presented with the choice of YEC or
> I would choose the latter as being more in the spirit of Jesus.", and " If
> the choice was YEC and any form of liberal Christianity I would choose the
> latter for being closer to the teachings of the Bible."
This was not hyperbole but the way things are. I am required by Jesus to
love God with all my mind, That i cannot do if I adopt YEC nonsense and
fabrications, hence if I were given the false choice, that is the way I
> I can well understand why you would now wish to disengage, but before
> that perhaps you would now properly address the matter which formed the
> greater part of my recent posting, viz the essential nature of man - as it
> is presented in the Scriptures (eg Gn.8:21, Ps.2:1-3, Jer.17:9, Jn.2:25,
> Ro.3:10,23) - and how this might impact on the C/E debate.
I am aware of the falleness of man and I dont see what has got to do with
it, except to say any Christian can still be wrong in what they propound.
As a Christian
> minister of long standing you will of course be aware of these
> 'fundamentalist' Bible teachings - which, incidentally, appear to be
> adequately confirmed by what we know of ourselves and others. However,
> perhaps you would like to give us your views.
You complain of the offensive of others, see to yourself.
> My own feeling is that the debate cannot be properly and meaningfully
> engaged until this fundamental human flaw is factored in; for surely, if
> there is doubt about his being a reliable witness in respect of ultimate
> origins, then it should be declared - wouldn't you agree?
Who is the "his"?
According to the
> Bible, both Creation and Flood were supernatural events; why then should
> be expected to believe those who tell us that only natural forces were
Creation is the initial and continuing act of God. The Bible does not say
the flood was supernatural.
> And one further question that has always intrigued me: when you assembled
> your _condensed_ version of the Bible, how did you decide which verses to
> leave out?
I get fed up with the superspirituality and offensiveness of people like you
who assume that those who dont support your silly myths of numerology and
YEC have rejected the Bible.
I have tried to answer your questions but you simply have a closed mind and
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