From: George Murphy (email@example.com)
Date: Fri May 30 2003 - 12:43:17 EDT
Nobody should be offended by "God bless America." Everybody - & especially
Americans - should be concerned about the inability of many Americans, & especially
their political leaders, to be self-critical. Americans, & especially the current
variety of Republicans, often sound as if they think they know goal of world history
& are able to reach it by their own efforts - a kind of capitalist inversion of Marxism.
It's true that thousands of Americans have died in foreign lands "to keep them
free" - but in all our foreign wars there was an admixture, sometimes small & sometimes
large (e.g., the Mexican War) of American self-interest which may have been in conflict
with the best interests of people of others nations. People in other countries
shouldn't forget the former. Americans shouldn't forget the latter.
Now can we talk about something that's connected with science? ASA is not the
American Political Affiliation.
Jay Willingham wrote:
> I do not understand why "God bless America" would offend anyone.
> If I say "God bless you" to my sons, are their friends offended?
> Does saying "God bless America mean I do not also pray for the whole world
> where Satan prowls as a wolf in sheep's clothing seeking to destroy?
> Forgive me, but in Jonathan's attitude I find the roots of the anti-personal
> liberty, big government trend in Australia.
> Could it be that the writer is oblivious to the role the USA played in
> keeping them free. The Japanese Empire and its children of the sun god
> would have dominated the western Pacific, Australia included, had they not
> miscalculated and attacked Pearl Harbor.
> Perhaps the rest of the world should look at the graveyards in foreign lands
> full of American's who died there in their defense and say "God bless
> America", too.
> How many would still be alive had the USA entered WWII when Japan invaded
> China or Hitler invaded Eastern Europe?
> The Archbishop of Canterbury was showing a cathedral to Colon Powell. The
> cleric asked him why America seemed to want to take over the world. Powell
> replied that America's by the ten's of thousands had died in foreign lands
> to keep them free, yet all the land America had ever asked in return was
> just enough to bury them in. The Archbishop went silent.
> Jay Willingham, Esquire
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Cannon" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: <email@example.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:35 AM
> Subject: Do non-U.S. Christians say "God Bless America?" (fwd)
> > From firstname.lastname@example.org Tue May 27 23:13:45 2003
> > From Jonathan Clark, who sent this to me regarding my question about
> > what non-US Christians felt when the read posts about God Bless
> > America. I post it with permission.
> > ***********************************************************
> > Hi Joel
> > Although I no longer subscribe, I do surf the ASA discussion from time to
> > time. I could not let this question pass by. Here in Australia many
> > say in response to "God Bless America" "God help the rest of us!"
> > The confluence of a particular strand of Us political thought and
> > fundamentalism I find quite disturbing. Not that people should not have
> > the freedom to think that way but that it should be seen to be the only
> > Christian response. it was one of the reasons I left the ASA discussion.
> > Blessing
> > Jon
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-- George L. Murphy firstname.lastname@example.org http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
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