Re: Do non-U.S. Christians say "God Bless America?"

From: Graham E. Morbey (gmorbey@wlu.ca)
Date: Fri May 30 2003 - 09:59:39 EDT

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    Let me suggest an excellent work that will probably go a long way in
    helping to bring clarity to the issues you are discussing below. I am
    referring to Richard B. Hays THE MORAL VISION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT A
    Contemporary Introduction to New Testament Ethics.

    Graham

    Don Winterstein wrote:

    >Sondra Brasile wrote:
    >
    >
    >>So what part about the word "abomination" are you not grasping?
    >>
    >>
    >
    >Scientific discoveries force us to reinterpret the Genesis creation
    >accounts, the Flood account, the Tower of Babel account, etc., etc. All
    >this necessary reinterpretation means the Bible and its inspiration were not
    >what a lot of conservative Christians thought they were.
    >
    >Where does the need to reinterpret end? In heaven. On earth we need to
    >integrate our experience of the world with our personal knowledge of God
    >through the guidance of his Holy Spirit. When our world changes as
    >drastically as it has over the past several centuries, we can't expect
    >directives to people thousands of years ago necessarily to apply in fine
    >detail today.
    >
    >What does apply today? God has given us his Spirit and minds to integrate.
    >Inspired by his Spirit we should not look at religion as a set of laws and
    >rules but instead as guidance for living lives pleasing to him. The number
    >one moral principle that Jesus gave was that we love one another. This
    >principle transcends all other laws and rules, and all other laws and rules
    >need to be interpreted in terms of it.
    >
    >Just as we have looked in detail at evidences for the great age of the
    >world, and that look forces us to reject a strictly literal interpretation
    >of the Genesis creation accounts, so also Christians have looked in detail
    >at sexuality and the lives and motives of homosexuals and have concluded
    >that some of the directives from thousands of years ago are less consistent
    >with the law of love than certain revisions of those directives.
    >
    >If behavior is approved by a proper application of the law of love, no one
    >should call it an abomination.
    >
    >Don
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >>>Rich Faussette wrote in part:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>There is no such thing as a gay Christian.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>As a young man I agreed, because the homosexuals I knew were very
    >>>promiscuous, and the acts they engaged in seemed to epitomize perversion.
    >>>
    >>>Later I loosened up a bit, because I came to understand that married
    >>>heterosexuals commonly engage in analogous acts, and I was no longer so
    >>>sure they were perverse. Nothing in the Bible prohibits any kind of
    >>>
    >>>
    >loving
    >
    >
    >>>physical interaction between man and wife.
    >>>
    >>>At present I'm looser yet, because I believe the law of love trumps any
    >>>individual law. Homosexuals I know now have lived in committed
    >>>relationships practically their whole adult lives. To me, commitment is
    >>>the important thing. The acts themselves may not be so perverse after
    >>>
    >>>
    >all.
    >
    >
    >>> And I see no chance the world's population is in danger of falling to
    >>>zero any time soon. (Where I live a substantial drop is the stuff of
    >>>dreams.)
    >>>
    >>>Whether the state of being gay is genetic or not is kind of irrelevant
    >>>
    >>>
    >when
    >
    >
    >>>gay people time and again claim their orientation is not within their
    >>>
    >>>
    >power
    >
    >
    >>>to change. From what I've heard, they find heterosexual relationships as
    >>>personally repulsive as I find homosexual ones; I believe I have no
    >>>
    >>>
    >control
    >
    >
    >>>over my feelings of repulsion, so I suspect they have no control over
    >>>theirs.
    >>>
    >>>So.I'd still rather the whole topic didn't exist, and I'm still not what
    >>>you'd call supportive, but I'm sympathetic and definitely question the
    >>>validity of Rich's assertion.
    >>>
    >>>Don
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
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