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Date: Wed May 28 2003 - 10:07:27 EDT

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    "At what threshold is someone's appetite one to which a person should not
    > yield in your opinion?"

    This stimulated the following:

    Want a big challenge? Put these verses together in a sermon.

    ICor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such is common to man, :
    but God is faithful who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are

    Romans 3:23 All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

    ICor 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient.


    Rom 2:1 takn in light of Romans 1, which includes the classic injuction
    against homosexuality as well as a scathing list of other sins including
    gossiping, disobedience to parents, without understanding and other rather
    all encompassing sins.

    Therefore you have no excuse or defense or justification, O man, whoever you
    are who judges and condemns another. ...

    I personally lost my temper yesterday. Flippin computer ate my work and I
    couldn't even figure out why or how.

    It's one thing to discuss whether or not one defines sin as thus and so (or
    Christian for that matter)- but how do we react to the person who is 'living
    in sin'? Aren't we all at least living with sin?

    I thank God that my taste goes to large hairy men and I have one sleeping in
    my bed right now, to whom I am married. I also thank God that when I stuck
    my foot in my mouth this weekend and chewed on my toes for a bit, my hostess
    rescued me and graciously continued the conversation such that I did not
    look a fool. She was the victim of my foot chewing. Was that sin? I didn't
    do it intentionally. But, I also did not lose my temper intentionally and I
    am quite sure that that was sin. (I yelled at my poor daughter/assistant,
    who goes rather dim when she knows I'm angry - which doesn't help matters at

    So I confessed my sins to God and daughter and I am forgiven. Until the next
    time. A few days, weeks or months from now - I will probably need to repeat
    the process.

    And I find no pleasure in it - no fulfillment of any desires or loneliness
    or yearning. I don't want unrighteous anger in any way shape or form.

    I agree that sex outside of marriage, between any two people, is wrong. But,
    I see no point in drawing any lines - or throwing any stones. There is a
    line to be drawn in terms of foolishness about personal safety. And we do
    need to use wisdom in being yoked. (What defines 'yoked'? - another
    discussion.)Otherwise, the sinner is welcome at my table.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: []On
    Behalf Of Michael Roberts
    Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:47 PM
    To: Walter Hicks; John W Burgeson
    Subject: Re: Do non-U.S. Christians say "God Bless America?"

    What about Tillich's mistress? Did T have an option there? Was it wrong?

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Walter Hicks" <>
    To: "John W Burgeson" <>
    Cc: <>; <>
    Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:24 PM
    Subject: Re: Do non-U.S. Christians say "God Bless America?"

    > I know how you feel, John, but it certainly is true that color of skin and
    > sexual "orientation" are not in the same category. Changing skin color is
    > not an option.
    > However, I too know some people who admit to a homosexual inclination but
    > they resist it and behave according to sexual norms and much of what the
    > Bible teaches. That is an option.
    > At what threshold is someone's appetite one to which a person should not
    > yield in your opinion?
    > Walt
    > John W Burgeson wrote:
    > > >>Canadians are often afraid to preach the gospel lest the gays
    > > protest.>>
    > >
    > > Do gay Christians protest? There are many such, you know.
    > >
    > > I am personally acquainted with about 8 of them, two of them are in
    > > seminary studying for the ministry. Yesterday I met one who will
    > > graduate from Union Seminary next Sunday with a 4.0 average. And she is
    > > hurting just as much as our brothers and sisters of color hurt in the
    > > days of Jim Crow.
    > >
    > > John Burgeson (Burgy)
    > >
    > >
    > >
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    > Walt Hicks <>
    > In any consistent theory, there must
    > exist true but not provable statements.
    > (Godel's Theorem)
    > You can only find the truth with logic
    > If you have already found the truth
    > without it. (G.K. Chesterton)
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