RE: On Tillich

From: Debbie Mann (
Date: Wed May 28 2003 - 09:27:01 EDT

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    Precisely. Literally raised Him from the dead - not figuratively or through a vision. He ate fish to show He was physically real and had Thomas touch his hands. He cooked fish that people ate and did physical things - nothing ghostly about Him. Debating how He got out of the grave cloths is one thing - but He did, His body was missing - debating if He did in the physical body is something else entirely. A camera may have had nonsensical frames within the tomb. Maybe He was spirited out of the cave, maybe angels came and weren't recordable, maybe He just sat up and started pulling away the cloths - but in each of those cases there would have been evidence of the resurrection on film. And He could have been filmed cooking fish or visiting with the disciples.

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    Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:07 PM
    To: George Murphy; gordon brown
    Cc: Debbie Mann; Asa
    Subject: RE: On Tillich

    In Romans 10:9, I see a necessary and sufficient condition to be a Christian. That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.


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            From: George Murphy []
            Sent: Tue 5/27/2003 7:34 PM
            To: gordon brown
            Cc: Debbie Mann; Asa
            Subject: Re: On Tillich

            gordon brown wrote:
    > On Tue, 27 May 2003, Debbie Mann wrote:
    > > ASA defines Christian as professing the Apostles' and Nicene Creeds.
    > Assent to these creeds is a requirement for ASA membership. I don't think
    > that is the same as making that the definition of Christian and requiring
    > us to use it that way in this forum.
                    An important point. In developing the current ASA statement of faith we wanted
            to make the organization open to a fairly broad range of Christians across the
            ecumenical spectrum (while recognizing the historical reality that it will probably
            remain predominantly Evangelical), but were not trying to state necessary and
            sufficient conditions for faith to be Christian.
            George L. Murphy

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