From: Graham Morbey (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Thu May 15 2003 - 10:55:35 EDT
The Redemptive story flows out of human falleness, failure, arrogance,
greed, etc. We humans experience evey day, death, murder, killing,
poisonings. Difficult though it is, I can imagine that all these things
can be carriers of redemptive moments - to the point of a cruel death on a
Cross! We'd better not do these things on our own to illustrate
On Thu, 15 May 2003, George Murphy wrote:
> Ted Davis wrote:
> > I thank Bob for providing the larger context for Augustine's comments. This
> > is pretty much what I thought Augustine meant: that our human notion of
> > limits on divine acts are simply our human notions, and God isn't bound by
> > those. I'm on the same page with Augustine.
> > I'm also on the same page with Bob. I agree that the historical and
> > astronomical evidence (indeed there is no such in the latter case, our
> > records not encompassing Joshua's day) do not support a "literal"
> > interpretation of the Joshua story, and I'm not inclined to accept that
> > story as a genuine miracle. I also doubt that it had redemptive
> > purpose--killing the enemy doesn't seem to fit that category.
> Ted -
> On your last point, note that in the central salvific event of the OT, the
> Exodus, "The LORD saved Israel that day from the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians
> dead on the seashore" (Ex.14:30).
> At a certain point in the Passover meal a drop of wine is to be spilled on the
> floor because Israel's celebration is diminished, no matter how slightly, because of the
> Egyptians. It is an important insight, but the Egyptians still died.
> George L. Murphy
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