Re: personal revelations

From: Graham E. Morbey (
Date: Thu Feb 20 2003 - 12:49:46 EST

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    It may be that a motivation for believing in the cessation of revelation
    is to protect a "high view" of the troublesome inerrancy concept. It
    would work in conjunction with the perfect "original autograph" theory
    of the Bible to bolster the notion of the Bible's "special revelation"
    character over against "general revelation." A common thread is that
    none of these notions has proof texts. The discussion could have some
    bearing on the bible/science debate.
    This is certainly not a "Jesus told me" rambling!


    "Terry M. Gray" wrote:
    > The most convincing argument for me for the cessation of new word
    > revelation is that put forth by Richard Gaffin in his Perspectives on
    > Pentecost in the chapter on The Question of Cessation. This has been
    > recently articulated in one of the Three (or Four) Views books
    > published by Zondervan.
    > It is not a proof-text based argument, but rather a
    > redemptive-historical one that recognizes the uniqueness of the
    > Christ event and the uniqueness of the apostolic witness to the
    > Christ event and the foundational character of the early church
    > apostles and prophets. The closest thing to a prooftext is in
    > Ephesians 2 where Paul refers to the church being built on the
    > foundations of the apostles and prophets. Thus, Acts and the early
    > epistles are not normative in this regard--they are foundational and
    > not to be repeated events much in the same way that Christ's death on
    > the cross and resurrection is a foundational and not to be repeated
    > event. There is indication that even by the time of the Timothy
    > epistles, Jude, and 2 Peter of an appeal to the authority of the
    > apostolic tradition (scripture) rather than to immediate revelations
    > of the Spirit.
    > I think that Don is mistaken when he says that all Christians accept
    > "that Jesus' revelation was the culmination". It's mostly by way of
    > lip service. TheJudeo-Christian message is primarily about what Jesus
    > did in history to accomplish our salvation--it's not primarily about
    > some subjective religious experience or knowledge. Much of
    > Christendom is concerned about this subjective religious experience
    > with little concern about what God actually accomplished in Christ
    > 2000 years ago.
    > The Jesus told me (apart from the Word) piety of much of modern
    > evangelicalism is equally suspect. That which unites traditional
    > Roman Catholic theology/piety, Pentecostal and charismatic theology,
    > and many non-Christian religions is religious experience. The
    > emphasis on the objective, historical facts of the doing and dying
    > and rising again of Jesus Christ distinguishes Biblical Christianity
    > from all these things.
    > Now, having fired my theological blast, I do want to remind us again
    > of the purposes of this group. As a group we're not interested in
    > general issues of theology (such as this one), or general issues in
    > politics or social concerns, but the intersection of Christian faith
    > (as outlined in the ASA statement of faith) and scientific concerns.
    > TG
    > --
    > _________________
    > Terry M. Gray, Ph.D., Computer Support Scientist
    > Chemistry Department, Colorado State University
    > Fort Collins, Colorado 80523
    > phone: 970-491-7003 fax: 970-491-1801

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