RE: Evolution wars

From: Adrian Teo (
Date: Sat Dec 21 2002 - 16:58:14 EST

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    Hello Rich,

    You wrote:

    > AT: What I mean is what has been generally accepted by
    the majority of
    > Christians around the world throughout history. I think
    this is a most
    > legitiamte source of guidance for us, and will prevent us
    modern Christians
    > from all kinds of novel interpretations not in keeping
    with Apostolic
    > teaching.

            I didn't know Christianity was a democracy and so have given
    little thought
            to what majorities accept.

            AT: Far from it. Christian doctrines are discerned by the
    faithful, and what is generally believed by the majority of
    Christians can often be helpful in knowing the leading of the Holy
    Spirit. Remember that the gates of hell will not prevail against the

            Rich: My inquiry into the darwinian substrate in the
            bible is based on Ken Ham's legitimate concern. I heard him defend
            creationism simply on the grounds that if he didn't, people
    would abandon the
            Biblical teachings. Ham is concerned they would then abandon
    the moral law in
            the scriptures. My inquiries suggest that the moral law in
    the scriptures is
            supported by a darwinian interpretation so Ken Ham is
    unnecessarily concerned
            so I am trying to get people past the refusal to accept the darwinian
            substrate in the scriptures because they think its a threat. It's not a
            threat, but you have to make the intellectual inquiry from a darwinian
            perspective to see that for yourself.

            AT: Seems to me like the darwinian interpreation is beyond
    question in your mind, and your goal is to help others accept it the
    way you have.

             Rich: The Darwinian interpretation of the
            Scriptures is not a 'novel' interpretation. The first book of
    the MacDonald
            trilogy was published in 1994, the last in 1998.

              Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy

            Toward an Evolutionary Theory of anti-Semitism

              An Evolutionary Analysis
                of Jewish Involvement
                     in 20th Century
            Intellectual and Political Movements

            AT: The 1990s seem pretty recent to me, given the 2000 year
    old history of the church. In fact anything in the last two centuries
    would still be comparatively recent, don't you think?

            Rich: In these three volumes Kevin MacDonald identifies
    a religiously applied
            human evolutionary strategy. If
                  you've followed the development of evolutionary theory,
    you are not
            surprised by the identification of a
                  religiously applied evolutionary strategy. E.O.Wilson
    warned us over 20
            years ago that it was coming when
                  he wrote in On Human Nature that, "...beliefs are really enabling
            mechanisms for survival. Religion, like
                  other human institutions, evolves so as to enhance the
    persistence and
            influence of its practitioners."

                  Kevin MacDonald has developed "an understanding of
    Judaism based on
            modern social and biological
                  sciences... and especially the social psychology of
    group behavior"
            (APTSDA, Judaism as a Group
                  Evolutionary Strategy). He finds the solution to the
    riddle of cyclic
            genocide in group dynamics.

            AT: All these may be quite interesting, but how did we get
    this far astray from the question of human origin?

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