Re: Does the Bible teach a flat earth?

From: Stein A. Stromme (
Date: Fri Dec 20 2002 - 03:24:57 EST

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    | In a message dated 12/19/02 1:16:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    | writes:
    | > Science continually changes. I have nothing more to say. I am
    afraid to say
    | > that to look for science in the bible is the height of folly and reduces
    | > the Bible to drosnin's code.
    | >
    | >
    | no - science does not change - your apprehension changes - maybe there's
    | something new out there you have not previously apprehended. I have nothing
    | more to say.
    | rich

    The laws of nature are (hopefully) stable, but science, the continuing
    human endeavor to work systematically towards improved understanding
    of and knowledge about those laws, of course changes all the time.

    All the meanings of science referred to below are clearly not constant
    over time. What is your definition of science (the science that does
    not change)?


    >From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:

       Science \Sci"ence\, n. [F., fr. L. scientia, fr. sciens, -entis,
          p. pr. of scire to know. Cf. {Conscience}, {Conscious},
          1. Knowledge; knowledge of principles and causes; ascertained
             truth of facts.

                   If we conceive God's sight or science, before the
                   creation, to be extended to all and every part of
                   the world, seeing everything as it is, . . . his
                   science or sight from all eternity lays no necessity
                   on anything to come to pass. --Hammond.

                   Shakespeare's deep and accurate science in mental
                   philosophy. --Coleridge.

          2. Accumulated and established knowledge, which has been
             systematized and formulated with reference to the
             discovery of general truths or the operation of general
             laws; knowledge classified and made available in work,
             life, or the search for truth; comprehensive, profound, or
             philosophical knowledge.

                   All this new science that men lere [teach].

                   Science is . . . a complement of cognitions, having,
                   in point of form, the character of logical
                   perfection, and in point of matter, the character of
                   real truth. --Sir W.

          3. Especially, such knowledge when it relates to the physical
             world and its phenomena, the nature, constitution, and
             forces of matter, the qualities and functions of living
             tissues, etc.; -- called also {natural science}, and
             {physical science}.

                   Voltaire hardly left a single corner of the field
                   entirely unexplored in science, poetry, history,
                   philosophy. --J. Morley.

          4. Any branch or department of systematized knowledge
             considered as a distinct field of investigation or object
             of study; as, the science of astronomy, of chemistry, or
             of mind.

          Note: The ancients reckoned seven sciences, namely, grammar,
                rhetoric, logic, arithmetic, music, geometry, and
                astronomy; -- the first three being included in the
                Trivium, the remaining four in the Quadrivium.

                      Good sense, which only is the gift of Heaven, And
                      though no science, fairly worth the seven.

          5. Art, skill, or expertness, regarded as the result of
             knowledge of laws and principles.

                   His science, coolness, and great strength. --G. A.

          Note: Science is applied or pure. Applied science is a
                knowledge of facts, events, or phenomena, as explained,
                accounted for, or produced, by means of powers, causes,
                or laws. Pure science is the knowledge of these powers,
                causes, or laws, considered apart, or as pure from all
                applications. Both these terms have a similar and
                special signification when applied to the science of
                quantity; as, the applied and pure mathematics. Exact
                science is knowledge so systematized that prediction
                and verification, by measurement, experiment,
                observation, etc., are possible. The mathematical and
                physical sciences are called the exact sciences.

          {Comparative sciences}, {Inductive sciences}. See under
             {Comparative}, and {Inductive}.

          Syn: Literature; art; knowledge.

          Usage: {Science}, {Literature}, {Art}. Science is literally
                 knowledge, but more usually denotes a systematic and
                 orderly arrangement of knowledge. In a more
                 distinctive sense, science embraces those branches of
                 knowledge of which the subject-matter is either
                 ultimate principles, or facts as explained by
                 principles or laws thus arranged in natural order. The
                 term literature sometimes denotes all compositions not
                 embraced under science, but usually confined to the
                 belles-lettres. [See {Literature}.] Art is that which
                 depends on practice and skill in performance. ``In
                 science, scimus ut sciamus; in art, scimus ut
                 producamus. And, therefore, science and art may be
                 said to be investigations of truth; but one, science,
                 inquires for the sake of knowledge; the other, art,
                 for the sake of production; and hence science is more
                 concerned with the higher truths, art with the lower;
                 and science never is engaged, as art is, in productive
                 application. And the most perfect state of science,
                 therefore, will be the most high and accurate inquiry;
                 the perfection of art will be the most apt and
                 efficient system of rules; art always throwing itself
                 into the form of rules.'' --Karslake.

    >From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:

       Science \Sci"ence\, v. t.
          To cause to become versed in science; to make skilled; to
          instruct. [R.] --Francis.

    >From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:

            n 1: a particular branch of scientific knowledge; "the science of
                 genetics" [syn: {scientific discipline}]
            2: ability to produce solutions in some problem domain; "the
               skill of a well-trained boxer"; "the sweet science of
               pugilism" [syn: {skill}]

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