From: John Burgeson (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Thu Dec 19 2002 - 17:43:08 EST
Howard wrote: "
Here's one suggestion for a possible starting point if you choose to break
I will have to ponder that. I think my questions may be more foundational
John W. Burgeson (Burgy)
>From: "Howard J. Van Till" <email@example.com>
>To: John Burgeson <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Subject: Quality of "ID science" (was Identity of the ID designer)
>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:55:24 -0500
> > So I am going to stand silent on this one for awhile until I can find
> > way to pose my questions in a way that does not involve the IDers
> > and their literature.
>Here's one suggestion for a possible starting point if you choose to break
>Dembski's entire system of arguing for the need for the formational action
>labeled "intelligent design" (non-natural, non-miraculous, form-conferring
>action by an unidentified, unembodied, choice-making agent) depends, first
>and foremost, on successfully demonstrating that some particular biotic
>system or structure, call it "X", could not possibly have been formed by
>joint effect of all actual (whether known or unknown) natural processes. He
>wishes to have this demonstration seen as a purely scientific enterprise.
>In his estimation the demonstration of this need is scientifically
>accomplished by proving that X has the quality labeled "specified
>complexity." The "complexity" portion of that requirement is satisfied, he
>says, when it can be demonstrated that the probability for the formation of
>some X (the bacterial flagellum, for instance) by the joint effect of all
>actual (both known and unknown) natural processes has a numerical value
>than 10 exp (-150). Call this probability P(X|N), where N represents the
>joint effect of all actual natural processes.
>Question: Is it possible, on the basis of what is now known about the
>formational capabilities of the universe, to perform the computation of
>actual numerical value of P(X|N) for the E. coli bacterial flagellum?
>Howard Van Till
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