From: John Burgeson (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Mon Dec 16 2002 - 13:00:52 EST
Glenn wrote: "The slope of the Black Sea bed is such that 400 feet in a year
means that people have to move about 3 houses down the block each day for a
year. That is hardly the stuff of legend."
Unless, of course, the move is not "3 houses per day for a year" but more
like "1000 houses a day for a day." There is no need for the innundation to
have taken place gradually at all points.
Black & Pittman, of course, claim that it IS the stuff of legend for they do
not assume the biblical accounts to be any more than that.
It is a most interesting concept to discuss. I was impressed recently by
Dick Fischer's listing of parallel accounts betwwen Genesis and other
non-biblical sources. I continue to be uninterested theologically whether
the Noah flood ever happened but as a scientific possibility it does have
some intellectual appeal. Dick's list makes me take its possibility more
seriously than before. So did the Black & Pittman book. Your arguments
against it are good -- bit they do not represent "smoking guns."
Hope Santa can find you way over there on the other side of the world.
John W. Burgeson (Burgy)
>From: "Glenn Morton" <email@example.com>
>To: <RFaussette@aol.com>, <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
>Subject: RE: Noah not in the Black Sea
>Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:25:27 -0000
>I have pointed this out before but some weren't here to see it. Even the
>'catastrophic' rate of infill isn't very catastrophic.
>(Ryan et al, Marine Geology 138:119-126). The water rose 400 feet in a
>Given the slope of the southern Black sea bed, it means that the people had
>before you would have to swim. There are no mountains being covered, and
>shoreline was not out of sight--ever. I would have thought that such a
>infilling would have been labeled the long march rather than the great
>The slope of the Black Sea bed is such that 400 feet in a year means that
>people have to move about 3 houses down the block each day for a year. That
>is hardly the stuff of legend.
>for lots of creation/evolution information
>personal stories of struggle
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RFaussette@aol.com [mailto:RFaussette@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:48 PM
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> Subject: Re: Noah not in the Black Sea
> In a message dated 12/10/02 12:57:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Some time ago, I posted a couple of notes about an article in GSA
>that called into question the Black Sea flood idea, popularized
> by Ryan and Pitman. The latest GSA Today has a note in which the
>authors cite additional papers, of which they were unaware at the
> time of writing, which support their gradual flooding model for the
> Thanks, an abrupt flood would fill the bill but a gradual flood might
>serve to induce mass migrations. It's a shame Ryan and Pitman's PBS
>documentary on the issue is already obsolete.
> Do you have any information on the suggestion that the story of the
>comes from the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh?
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