RE: Did Jesus know the genetic code?

From: Alexanian, Moorad (
Date: Fri Dec 13 2002 - 09:28:17 EST

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    "... resulting in a true knowledge of God's mystery, that is, Christ
    Himself, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and
    knowledge. Col. 2:2-3. Does this apply to Jesus on earth? Moorad

            -----Original Message-----
            From: george murphy []
            Sent: Thu 12/12/2002 5:44 PM
            To: Alexanian, Moorad
            Subject: Re: Did Jesus know the genetic code?

            "Alexanian, Moorad" wrote:

    > These sort of questions sound a bit strange in view of the
    following verses: ǨThrough Him all things were made; without
    Him nothing was made that has been made.Ǩ John 1:3. Moorad

                    "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14).

                    In response to Moorad's comment and a similar one of
    Sheila, the question isn't whether or not the eternal 2d Person of
    the Trinity knows certain things. It is whether the Word
            become flesh, Jesus of Nazareth, between ~ 4 B.C. & 30 A.D.,
    knew that the earth was round, the genetic code, &c.
                    The church's classic statements about Christ, God
    Incarnate, insist that while he is one divine person, he possesses
    everything proper to full human - as well as divine - nature.
            I.e. that he had a complete human body & mind & all functions
    proper to them. One then has to ask about the relationship between
    the infinite divine mind and the finite human one. One
            can argue that the human mind of Christ, while finite, had
    access to everything in the infinite divine mind, rather as a
    computer with relatively small memory might have access to the
            memory of another much larger computer. (Thomas V. Morris
    develops such an analogy in _The Logic of God Incarnate_.) But there
    is no compelling reason to say that this was indeed the
            case during Jesus' earthly life.
                    It is obvious that Jesus did not make use of full,
    unlimited, divine abilities in everything he did on earth. He
    normally got from one place to another by walking, not by
            utilizing divine omnipresence.
            The question then is whether those divine powers were simply
    "hidden" most of the time or whether in assuming human nature he in
    fact "emptied himself" of them, as Phil.2:5-11 suggests. I
            think that the latter type of "kenotic" theology is closer to
    the truth. But as I said in my earlier post, we do not in fact know
    enough about the historical Jesus' consciousness, memory
            &c to be able to make dogmatic statements about this.


    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: George Murphy []
    > Sent: Thu 12/12/2002 11:15 AM
    > To:
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    > Subject: Did Jesus know the genetic code?
    > The question posed in my subject heading is, on one level, as
    > reasonable as "Did
    > Jesus know that the earth was round?" If one
    claims that, because he
    > was the Son of God
    > he must have known that the earth was round then he
    must have also
    > know that it isn't
    > exactly spherical, its quadrupole, octupole &c
    moments as well as the
    > genetic code, the
    > details of nuclear fusion &c.
    > There is no compelling reason to make such
    a claim - & also
    > no drop-dead
    > argument to reject it. I belive that the divine
    kenosis should be taken with
    > complete seriousness, that God Incarnate lived a
    human life under the
    > conditions of
    > finite humanity in 1st century Palestine, & that
    limitation of
    > knowledge was part of
    > this. Some NT texts (Mk.5:30 & 13:32, Lk.2:52)
    point rather explicitly in this
    > direction. OTOH, he was (& is) God Incarnate &
    when all is said and
    > done, we don't have
    > access to the inner workings of his mind.
    > That's "on one level," the theological. On
    the purely
    > historical level there's
    > nothing impossible about Jesus having known the
    shape of the earth -
    > & even its size -
    > found by Greek science. There was a strong
    presence of hellenistic culture in
    > Palestine, & we simply don't know how much
    familiarity with it Jesus
    > had. OTOH we have
    > no indication in the gospels that he ever gave any
    thought to the
    > shape of the earth,
    > nobody trying to trap him by asking, "Rabbi, is the
    earth round or flat" &c.
    > So the question about Jesus' views on the
    shape of the earth
    > may be like asking
    > what I think is the world's greatest soccer team.
    I've never given
    > any thought to it,
    > don't know, & don't very much care.
    > --
    > George L. Murphy

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